Anybody know if there are any companies making new catted UEL headers? I don't want to put older gen headers because I've heard there are no hp gains.
Catted UEL headers
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He said his setup in the video was Tomei catless UEL headers + OEM front/over pipe + AWE Track catback.
I'm sure with a non-straight-pipe catback and catted headers, it'd be a different story.
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Yeah hence why I said without the rasp. His setup is awful because of that but you can tell the potential is there?
Oh yeah. With proper cat(s) and resonators, a UEL will sound great. Cant wait to hear how yours sounds.
THANK YOU... I know this is just me being old as shit but I feel like all the videos of builds on the 2nd Gen are by young dudes who stance and straight-pipe the shit out of them and then say it isn't low enough or loud enough. I was really worried about going with the GR86/BRZ because I already had this image in my mind of all the younger crowd being douchebags in the car and it seems like that's how we're being portrayed on Social Media. We need some serious track-builds to start making a presence on YouTube and Social Media because I just know I'm going to get hounded on the street by these guys.
Anything relatively cheap and desirable has this problem...hence mustangs and Nissan altimas. Wrx sunroof is a vape vent, and so on.
It's simply a reflection of the culture. If I ever won a million or so I'd definitely buy a 90s civic and build it properly just to prove that it's possible to make one reasonably fast, reliable and clean. They're always trashed.
It's simply a reflection of the culture. If I ever won a million or so I'd definitely buy a 90s civic and build it properly just to prove that it's possible to make one reasonably fast, reliable and clean. They're always trashed.
Thats about 14 min of my life I'm never getting back.
Facts. Loud does not equal good sounding, I have a lot of opinions about his cars as well but they aren't really relevant to the topic at hand. To each their own.
Hot take: UEL headers are inefficient, and the sound they make is not "clean". I'm all for people getting whatever they want for their own car, and yes its been proven that they made power over the stock / help eliminate the torque dip, they just aren't for me. My very first WRX I questioned as to why it sounded broken the first time I started it up
The UEL for me is one of those things to me that I know is not the best design, but I would be willing to have a "less good" upgrade for the sound. It is a sound that can only come from that type of header on a boxer engine. As long and there are some gains and no losses in the powerband with some tuning, I will more than likely go this route. Im pretty convinced the OEM manifold is actually pretty damn good though.
I'm LITERALLY at the same dillema... I designed exhaust systems, for years and I know what makes a good header and one of them is being a true equal-length; however there are two things that do battle within me... 1st... JDL isn't running calculated runner lengths... it's literally a "make it fit" situation which I completely understand, but I already know I'm not getting top-performance.
2nd, one of the unique things about this car is that it has an Flat-4, which is unique and if I have the opportunity to have that sound then.. yenno... fuck it?
One one hand I hate the way Harleys sound, and they are designed just for the sound.
On the other hand I've always thought 95% of 4 cylinder cars sound bad and that the uel boxer setup sounded better.
Subaru does it for packaging reasons so it's better than ruining the engine internals for sound. But buying the worse option for sound also hurts my brain.
On the other hand I've always thought 95% of 4 cylinder cars sound bad and that the uel boxer setup sounded better.
Subaru does it for packaging reasons so it's better than ruining the engine internals for sound. But buying the worse option for sound also hurts my brain.
There was very little overall difference in total hp/total tq between the decatted stock header and quality catless UEL and EL headers on the 1stGen. There was a small difference in how/where the hp/tq was delivered. In other words, unless you care about squeezing every last hp/tq out of it as possible, go with the sound you like better when tuning solutions come along.
Heck, if you want to save money, decat your stock header and sell the cats for scrap.
This is not what I remember.
What do you remember?
Yes, optimized/tuned an EL can get an extra 5-10hp over a UEL - but most of it is at pretty high rpm. In fact, some UEL's made better torque at mid-low rpms. Regardless, I did the research at the time (and it could be different for the Gen2), but for how I use it (strictly street driving at between 3-6k rpms), the UEL and EL's were almost identical in performance - and they were both comparable to a decatted stock header.
See - UEL vs EL Headers: Which one should you choose?
I've always been of the mind to buy the best performing product in a set price range, even if I had no plans on using it to its fullest extent. It just depends on what you want for yourself and what you are comfortable with buying. Like I said, I'm all for anyone doing whatever they want to their own car. If it makes you happy to have the rumble then do it, I'd be lying if I said I didn't think the noise was unique. Its just that coming from the turbo flat motors, I can't get over that equal length is just hammered into my brain as far as reliability / power making goes
Form follows function. i totally realize that for most production cars getting the correct runner length is often impossible due to packaging constraints. Sometimes, you have to create some unorthodox parts, just to make it fit. The header below was the solution to get the long runners merged prior to going under the oil pan. This isn't possible under our engines, so we have to make due with compromises. I love the "subie rumble", but if EL gives me 5 to 10 more ponies up top, thats where my money will be.
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Glad this thread about catted UEL headers has turned into an opinion fest on UEL vs EL . You guys really are a special bunch.
. You guys really are a special bunch.
As it should be if you ask me. Im more surprised that it hasnt turned into a catted vs catless shit show. LolOh no a discussion on a Forum that is slightly outside of, yet still related to the original topic
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