[Lams299]

Assuming the stock brakes brand spankin’ new, Is it worth it to change the brakes and fluid even if it’s just a daily?

 

[Hachi Electronics]

Assuming the stock brakes brand spankin’ new, Is it worth it to change the brakes and fluid even if it’s just a daily?

Stock pads and fluid are fine for a street only car.

 

[niuniucito]

Ds2500. But there isn't really a magic bullet when it comes to performance. If you want compliance/longevity of a car part, then you have to deal its lower ceiling of its performance.

I personally run Ferodo's ds1.11, it has a higher torque curve + temp resistance. But it sounds like you're running a knife through a chalk board everytime you brake.

I ran lower compound before as well, parts didn't last as long during hard driving.

So I guess, it really depends on these questions. Will you be able to nail your brake point as late as possible? Can you carry the brake into the corners? How brake intensive is it for your local track? What's the tire compound? What's the ambient temp? For the initial set-up stage, i always recommend cheaper adequate solution, after the first few track days. You would know what you need to upgrade.

the track event I plan to do isn't aggressive at all. I don't plan on killing my car. Its track night in America by SCCA and this particular event I refer to is being held at Daytona Intl Speedway road course. I am just trying to figure out my braking situation because I kind of wanna go for Project MU PS and Motul 660 but I'm really not sure if I should swap out my brake components at all. I might just change the brake fluid and call it a day

 

[vincentyang246]

the track event I plan to do isn't aggressive at all. I don't plan on killing my car. Its track night in America by SCCA and this particular event I refer to is being held at Daytona Intl Speedway road course. I am just trying to figure out my braking situation because I kind of wanna go for Project MU PS and Motul 660 but I'm really not sure if I should swap out my brake components at all. I might just change the brake fluid and call it a day

You would know if the stock brakes are adequate. And if you're using the stock ps4, I don't recommend insane friction coefficient pads. Cus the pads can overwhelm your tires grip, and hit ABS easier than stock pads.

And you mentioned killing your car, I'm not sure track driving will kill a car perse

 

[gofrogs]

One last thing. Send me a link to those brake pads pls

Link - https://www.counterspacegarage.com/projectmu-type-ps

pads and fluid have lasted 2 track days (1 in heavy rain) so far within past 60 days. i'm guessing I'll be able to get another 2 track days out of this setup.

 

[latapx]

the track event I plan to do isn't aggressive at all. I don't plan on killing my car. Its track night in America by SCCA and this particular event I refer to is being held at Daytona Intl Speedway road course. I am just trying to figure out my braking situation because I kind of wanna go for Project MU PS and Motul 660 but I'm really not sure if I should swap out my brake components at all. I might just change the brake fluid and call it a day

Listen, if you wanted to, you could hit 130+ at Daytona and it has HEAVY braking zones. Do not go there on stock pads and think it will be ok to do these speeds and you brakes hold up. You WILL need to back off WAY early. At a minimum get some brake fluid, HP+, DS2500, SOMETHING!!

 

[gofrogs]

Listen, if you wanted to, you could hit 130+ at Daytona and it has HEAVY braking zones. Do not go there on stock pads and think it will be ok to do these speeds and you brakes hold up. You WILL need to back off WAY early. At a minimum get some brake fluid, HP+, DS2500, SOMETHING!!

I was that person who showed up with stock everything ('22 BRZ limited 6MT) for first track day w/ expectation that I would take it easy and slow to see how the stock brakes held up. This was good to experience what the stock brakes are capable of but I noticed a little brake fade after the first few laps and by end of 3rd 20-minute session (driving no more than 6/10ths) the brake pedal felt spongy enough for me to lose all confidence in doing any additional laps. After the cool down laps I noticed both front pads were worn & rotors had already started to have small grooves in them requiring both needing to be replaced. Bit of an expensive lesson but would agree that at minimum use high temp brake fluid for first track day and don't be surprised if you go thru stock pads within half a day of track use. After I upgraded the pads and fluids I've had a much better experience. I didn't upgrade rotors, just got some replacement stoptech blank rotors and those have been fine.

 

[billabongrob]

Would it make sense for us to put up spreadsheet in google docs or the like and edit accordingly for sound, torque, longevity? I’m very interested in something middle of the road until I get my RWD chops back. I used to swap pads and rotors after track days but until I decide whether I want to keep on with this car or stick to my dedicated, and absolutely unreliable, track car… would be better to upgrade.

 

[latapx]

This is a good starting point for comparing compounds.

 

[GR2023]

Does anyone have recommendations of reputable online retailers for brake pads? I see some great recommendations of brands of pads (ie: Ferodo DS2500; Winmax W5; Project Mu..etc), but I'm new to all of these and so far I am not able to find a reputable online store that sells these pads. I am not a fan of shopping on eBay, but it seems like it is the only obvious option.

 

[ibar]

Does anyone have recommendations of reputable online retailers for brake pads? I see some great recommendations of brands of pads (ie: Ferodo DS2500; Winmax W5; Project Mu..etc), but I'm new to all of these and so far I am not able to find a reputable online store that sells these pads. I am not a fan of shopping on eBay, but it seems like it is the only obvious option.

Amazon haha. But if you want to support the smaller guys counter space garage is a good option.

 

[latapx]

Counterspace, subispeed, essexparts, tirerack, etc.

Literally do a search for brz parts and a bunch of retailers will pop up.

 

[vincentyang246]

Does anyone have recommendations of reputable online retailers for brake pads? I see some great recommendations of brands of pads (ie: Ferodo DS2500; Winmax W5; Project Mu..etc), but I'm new to all of these and so far I am not able to find a reputable online store that sells these pads. I am not a fan of shopping on eBay, but it seems like it is the only obvious option.

KNSBRAKES.COM

I had really good experience with them, they sell a wide range of brands. There was once I called them up for 1 day shipping on some pads just two days before my track weekend, they delivered without skipping a beat.

I'm personally not a big fan with CSG, I found some of their associates a bit too business man like. Some of their items literally took 2 weeks to ship out to me... (Maybe it was them drop shipping items from non local warehouse, I got no clue)

They literally tried to advertise that their pads can be an alternative to BBK.... which i still couldn't wrap my head around such idea.

 

[latapx]

KNSBRAKES.COM

I had really good experience with them, they sell a wide range of brands. There was once I called them up for 1 day shipping on some pads just two days before my track weekend, they delivered without skipping a beat.

I'm personally not a big fan with CSG, I found some of their associates a bit too business man like. Some of their items literally took 2 weeks to ship out to me... (Maybe it was them drop shipping items from non local wear house, I got no clue)

They literally tried to advertise that their pads can be an alternative to BBK.... which i still couldn't wrap my head around such idea.

Same thing happened with me. I called them to order the cp9660 kit and they talked me out of it. Ended up buying it from Essex.

 

[vincentyang246]

Same thing happened with me. I called them tomorrow the cp9660 kit and they talked me out of it. Ended up buying it fr Essex.

Yeah. I was giving them benefit of doubt, until I started collecting brake temperature data. Then I found out how inadequate our stock front brake system was.

Did the math in my head, lowkey realizing CSG is full of shit.

 

[latapx]

I ended up using their C21/C11 combo which they stated would last longer then the compounds I had been using. They were not wrong. I got 3 days out of their pads instead of 2 with the others. But when you consider the cost of the pad vs. the others, it was still more expensive.
As for their performance, they worked great...albeit there were a tad too aggressive for the stock PS4. They were very easy to get into ABS and hard to keep on that edge just before wheel lockup. They are likely better suited to a 200TW tire.
Overall, i don't care what pads you use, the stock brakes are too small and cannot handle constant lapping without dumping major heat into all surrounding components. This is my opinion.

 

[BRZoboy]

They literally tried to advertise that their pads can be an alternative to BBK.... which i still couldn't wrap my head around such idea.

Actually, I measured temperatures of OEM-sized replacement rotors on previous gen car (thermal color method). Used with racing pads on hot weather 25min session - the rotor temperatures were OK. I would agree that BBK is not needed for trackday sessions. The proper pads is the key.

 

[vincentyang246]

Actually, I measured temperatures of OEM-sized replacement rotors on previous gen car (thermal color method). Used with racing pads on hot weather 25min session - the rotor temperatures were OK. I would agree that BBK is not needed for trackday sessions. The proper pads is the key.

My measurement for current gen on the rotors temp is way outside of the pads operating temperature. Something like 1500F.

Having that heat can bleed over to the tires.

Also, it really depends on the track configuration as well.

Edit: I used the Ferodo DS1.11 pads, which arguably one of the pads that would throw the least heat into the system while having good bites. Still the stock system leaves a lot of braking on the table.

 

[latapx]

I used Hawk DTC60, Cobalt XR2 and CSG C21. Rotor temps were 1400+ and caliper temps were 550+. That is seal degradation territory.
No thank you. Very much enjoying my BBK.

 

[BRZoboy]

I was also using DS1.11. No problems with them. Well till they wear down to cca 4mm of material - they like to completely disintegrate then. I usually have cracked dust boots on front calipers. They start forming after about 600 track kilometers. Have not observed any problem with the seals. I use only road legal semi-slicks with not that much grip and these are limiting factor for me. Brakes (with racing pads) can easily lock them anytime during the sessions. For more aggressive brake technique, grippier tyres or prolonged sessions - I don't know, have no experience with that. BBK is definitely better solution, if you don't consider money, daily use... Btw 86 cup racing series in Japan uses stock sized rotors with stock calipers.