At least it looks better than the bastardized mini cooper-miata-capuchino love child lol

 

Pretty, but still not enough greenhouse. Are they expecting that we'll be transitioning to cameras and screens for visual navigation?

 

What a time to be alive. I cant wait to have a super hard decision choosing between this or the MR2, but I think I'm absolutely set to buy the MR2 at this point (so long as it handles).

 

I think if actually ever confirmed it will be a expensive ass heavy awd ev with a mr2 badge thrown on it. A ice engine doesn't make sense from here on out. It will never be the "mr2" you know from pass yrs. regardless.

 

I have a feeling that they will kill off the GR86, since they will stop the partnership with Subaru.
In addition, Toyota green lit the S-FR

 

I have a feeling that they will kill off the GR86, since they will stop the partnership with Subaru.
In addition, if Toyota green lit the S-FR

will be a firesale for prospective buyers if GR86 is announced dead. brb 4k off msrp

 

As said in other threads, the evidence mounting for the twins being axed in the next 2-3 years is pretty high at this point unless you're one of the people that prefers to ignore the rumors (Best Car) that have accurately predicted the A90 Supra, GR86, GRY, and GRC lol. The rumors always start off with just the nameplate and a bunch of nonsense early on, but typically about 2 years before the car releases to the public they have everything (drivetrain specs, interior and exterior renders that are 90% match etc).

 

-GR representatives hinting a couple of years ago about whether or not people might like a GR sport sedan.

-A GRMN Prius prototype debuts… but it’s not really what they were talking about

-Bestcar reports a few months ago that the GR86 will have a 3rd generation but using the soon to be outgoing Lexus IS sedan platform as a basis that will be heavily downsized and simplified and with a G16E engine.

-Toyota not so subtly highlights a 1998-2005 Altezza RS200 sport sedan in their GR anime series used to promote their brand.

-Bestcar then confusingly releases more details on the 3rd Gen GR86 coming out as a coupe and sedan… but this is before we hear them report on the S-FR extensively and Celica extensively. Toyota source was quoted in the article as saying something to the effect of a sedan being more practical for a wider range of buyers.

-We already know that this current generation GR86/BRZ was the stopgap facelift revision. It is too cost prohibitive to redesign the current chassis to meet new EU crash safety and global emissions and fuel economy regulations when a whole new car could be designed instead. It probably won’t be sold after the 2025 model year for these reasons. Toyota wanted the current model to hold us over until their next models come out.

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All of this to me points toward a new successor to the 98-05 Altezza RS200 (aka Lexus IS 1st gen with a motorsport style four cylinder).

Ironically the 98-05 Altezza sedan was actually the successor to the original 83-87 Corolla GT-S AE86. Toyota loves nostalgia revival.

GR offering a RWD sport sedan in their lineup makes sense with the SFR, Celica, MR2 and Supra being all two door cars.

 

to be able to get a sports car from toyota with a proper toyota engine will make me strongly consider the celica or mr2 when they drop. i know that the GR Corolla exists, but as far as i can tell, they're nearly impossible to find on a lot for sale.

plus, in the mr2's case, having a MR car would be a very fun/unique experierence

 

I see GR Corollas on lots all the time. They sell quickly, but almost none are pre-sold.

 

They can be had within 2-4 months last I checked (for msrp depending on dealer). My issues with the Corolla are that you sit really high up inside the thing, and the interior is very mediocre with the twins feeling premium in comparison.

 

i'm also just not totally in love with the styling of the GR Corolla, but it has grown on me.

 

That's a classic example of not being able to read between the lines IMO, but I actually work in the industry and with folks inside Toyota so I don't expect people to understand why the rumors are so seemingly chaotic.

The G16-GTS powered 86 rumor is based in part on Toyota actually testing that powerplant in the GR86 (there's literally 3 of those cars driving right now for Rookie Racing). That means some contingent within Toyota is either testing for that reality (engine change in the 2nd gen which is highly unlikely IMO) or for the 3rd gen car which is far more likely. Will it be next year? Who knows. But employees of both Toyota and/or suppliers feed them this information (at times on purpose), which means it is actively being discussed within the company. They are rumors partially because out of option A, B, and C, usually only one makes it to production. Expecting laser like accuracy at any point before the car is production ready is unrealistic...

Everyone thought they were completely full of it when each of those cars I listed were initially previewed, but by the time it was year or two before production they had the details down. But you only get to know how accurate they are after the car comes out, and then no one goes back and goes wow they were actually pretty spot on maybe I should pay attention to this more.

This (LC-F/engine) was a "stupid rumor with no merit" too and then boom everyone found out they actually made it and that it's racing in the LC500 race car (tons of examples of this). Unfortunately, despite creating the engine, the car itself never saw production:

https://www.autoevolution.com/pdf/news_attachements/this-is-toyotas-new-twin-turbo-v8-features-hot-v-layout-160993.pdf

 

I'll say this: Toyota is on a tear right now. I haven't seen the brand this engaged or committed to doing interesting things in....30 years? Only ten years ago they had a combination of the most boring, soulless, uninspiring cars to drive with the worst design house in the industry by far (everything was flat-out ugly), and badly outdated engineering. There was zero passion in that company, and it was a phone-it-in choice for mouth breathers who wanted a car with the excitement and reliability of their refrigerator.

Now they have arguably the best and most comprehensive attainable lineup in the industry. They still make the appliances for those who want them, but they are finally showing some ankle for performance and passion and heritage. It's like they woke up one morning and suddenly remembered who they are. It's going to be very cool watching which directions they take. They just need to keep the prices attainable, which they failed miserably on the new Taco TRD Pro which starts at $65k, compared with $48k on the previous gen. They smoked themselves retarded on that one. But I'm looking forward to seeing what happens.

 

The new Celica just seems like a new Scion tC to me. 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

This is by far the best speculative rendering I have seen so far.

 

Boo,Hoo...I can't find a place to put my phone! 😭Waah!! no cup holders! And,where is my sun roof? Sob,sob,sniffle🤧 Oh well, at least we get some fake carbon fiber and a plastic stripe on the seat. The exterior looks great but what's up with that rear fender scoop? Mid engine or fake?🧐 I'm diggin' the fog-lights!😎

 

Don't worry, that "render" is just an AI generated image. I doubt it'll look anything like that.

 

There was this concept Toyota showed off, it might have a cup holder or two