I expected better from Toyota dealers in SK... interesting.

 

I saw this on Reddit yes (before I deleted my account because I was sick to death of the GR86 subreddit). With the impending release of several performance oriented cars, Toyota appear to be doing an awful job of retaining any current owners and enticing any prospective ones. Sato-san and Akio-san need to act on this properly with a good old fashioned Kaizen/management-led response, otherwise existing and future sales will be impacted big time. Very odd behaviour for a global company to make performance cars and discourage people from driving them at all.

Edit: "If" people aren't servicing their cars, blowing them up, and then Toyota deny warranty for different issues then there is some bs going on. Important to note that nothing is substantiated atm. Fair is fair.

 

I was sick to death of the GR86 subreddit

Everyones an expert on reddit...

 

I am amazed that Toyota is so great at standing behind their other products like the Tacoma where they are replacing 100,000 engines under warranty and telling GR Corolla owners they are on their own when their cars catch on fire and GR86 owners they are in their own with this problem.

Blaming the owner for driving at a speed that is common on the roads and other pathetic defenses is not going to be a good defense when consumer reports and others start talking about it.

 

could be a matter of protecting where their bread is buttered. Remember they gave up on the LFA because it wasnt a big seller.

the engine blow up anxiety that comes with this platform will likely keep me away from anymore Toyota performance products. I knew what had gone on in the past, but the constant pace of new reports and Toyotas treatment of owners is hard to dismiss.

I’d rather be the prick in a euro car than some dope left holding the bag with a blown FA24.

Sucks, dont wanna look at the 86 today.

 

I drove 135km/h today, as Everytime.
But just because I'm still in the break in phase

Here it's common to drive over 200km/h often.
If that would break the car, they would not sell it here...

Even my Aygo is driven up to 150/160 sometimes...

 

like all of these stories, there are always some omitted details.
possibly, beating the crap out of the car during break in period.

99% of the time is owner/driver fault.
not checking the oil. not maintaining it as it should.

 

like all of these stories, there are always some omitted details.
possibly, beating the crap out of the car during break in period.

99% of the time is owner/driver fault.
not checking the oil. not maintaining it as it should.

The usual "and the dipstick was bone dry".

 

I am kind of getting tired of these posts. Did really Toyota Korea reject the warranty or was it a dealership? Is there any documented rejection? What happened to the engine in the first place? What was the mileage of the car? The fact that the car was maintained at Toyota service centers implies that a very thin 0W-20 was used and even a 5k km interval can be long, especially if the owner wasn't checking oil often.

In my own experience most warranty "claims" will be "rejected" initially, meaning there wasn't even any claim in writting in the first place. It is up to the customer to make it official, dealerships won't just dish out free repairs especially to private customers unfortunately.

 

Im sure there is a long list of omitted details. Its all too common for people to be fully responsible for a failure, then turn to the internet with a sob story. "Poor me, im a victim". If everything the internet had to say about these engine failures were true, I would have gone through a dozen engines by now. Somehow mine handles, right hand turns, never having an RTV cleaning, 100mph+ several times per week, mods, tuning, racing, etc. Either some of us have unicorn cars or there are a lot of people that are full of BS.

 

Im sure there is a long list of omitted details. Its all to common for people to be fully responsible for a failure, then turn to the internet with a sob story. "Poor me, im a victim". If everything the internet had to say about these engine failures were true, I would have gone through a dozen engines by now. Somehow mine handles, right hand turns, never having an RTV cleaning, 100mph+ several times per week, mods, tuning, racing, etc. Either some of us have unicorn cars or there are a lot of people that are full of BS.

truth!

 

In my own experience most warranty "claims" will be "rejected" initially, meaning there wasn't even any claim in writting in the first place. It is up to the customer to make it official, dealerships won't just dish out free repairs especially to private customers unfortunately.

Isn't a warranty like and insurance policy? If so, then their warranty department would be like a mini insurance company. Isn't the insurance companies first response often "No, you're not covered?, or we'll cover part of it, or we'll find a sub par shop to "fix" it for you", until you push it harder? The dealerships appear to be the OEM's first line of defense against claims, just as many other insurance companies operate. I'm not saying I like it, but that's what is reeks of.
There's also the problem that most dealerships don't like warranty work. Apparently they don't make as much on the labor as they would when the customer is paying for it.

The usual "and the dipstick was bone dry".

Then there's the that.

 

Isn't a warranty like and insurance policy? If so, then their warranty department would be like a mini insurance company. Isn't the insurance companies first response often "No, you're not covered?, or we'll cover part of it, or we'll find a sub par shop to "fix" it for you", until you push it harder? The dealerships appear to be the OEM's first line of defense against claims, just as many other insurance companies operate. I'm not saying I like it, but that's what is reeks of.
There's also the problem that most dealerships don't like warranty work. Apparently they don't make as much on the labor as they would when the customer is paying for it.

Then there's the that.

Low oil levels happens for many reasons. In every car Ive owned since the 90’s; there is a low oil level warning light. These days, thats table stakes.

 

It's absolutely a two way street here. I'm all for fairness on both sides. If you've run the car bone dry that's on you absolutely. Warranty denied and I will support Toyota. If Toyota have stated that the warranty is void due to going over 6000rpm and 74mph (of which I'm yet to see anything to substantiate this other than what is on Reddit btw) then it is odd. Just state the car was not serviced properly, which is the truth.

Others have raised good points on owner accountability. Until I see something official from Toyota and not Reddit (which is the septic tank of the internet) I can't form an opinion on this. Like Tru said, appears to be a lot of omitted details.

 

What's up with the recent 75 and 85 mph warranty claim denials from Toyota? First a US GRC and now a South Korean GR86. If these are true, almost seems like a directive coming down from Toyota corporate.

For warranty purposes, it seems like buying the Subaru or BMW versions might be the way to go. If you asked me 5 years ago, I would have thought Toyota would have been the brand with the robust, no questions asked warranty.

 

won't lie, a lot of these dumb gr86 engines blowing and warranty denied also played part in me selling my car, if my engine blew and I got denied warranty, I couldn't fix it. but I drove mine like a grandma so it unlikely wouldn't of ever impacted me honestly

 

We all realize that there is a public highway in Texas where the speed limit is 85mph? Toyota can not deny warrant service based off a mph that is permitted in the United States for a car that is in fact, in the US.

 

All im saying is that people need to realize that the 86 is a reskinned subaru. It has a boxer engine so they should treat it as one.

I had a friend with a GR86 who told me he hates subaru. Well.. don't I have some unfortunate news for him

 

Has he looked under the hood? It literally says “Subaru” right on the cover.

 

We should play a game where we see how many Subaru logos we can find in 10 minutes

 

Not to mention some part numbers are Subaru.

 

To him, the badge matters more than what's underneath the hood.

It's unfortunate to know that there is a good portion of owners with a similar mindset. They also are typically the ones to neglect maintenance and end up surprised with a blown engine, as we've seen in the recent wave of reddit/forum posts.

How do I know? His PS4 is bald after the first month of his ownership I'm sure that car has seen some shit with the factory oil still in there

 

Texas is located oddly close to Mexico... If I were in Mexico I would also drive 100mph+ daily. I think that would be very fun to do.

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All im saying is that people need to realize that the 86 is a reskinned subaru. It has a boxer engine so they should treat it as one.

I had a friend with a GR86 who told me he hates subaru. Well.. don't I have some unfortunate news for him

😂

Not nearly as bad, but during the peak years of wrx/lancer rivalry, there were plenty of subaru fanatics hating on mitusbishi motors while failing to realize that several of the EJ variants ran mitsubishi turbos

To him, the badge matters more than what's underneath the hood.

It's unfortunate to know that there is a good portion of owners with a similar mindset. They also are typically the ones to neglect maintenance and end up surprised with a blown engine, as we've seen in the recent wave of reddit/forum posts.

How do I know? His PS4 is bald after the first month of his ownership I'm sure that car has seen some shit with the factory oil still in there

Just as valuable to know how much abuse a motor can take if/when it blows up

 

iirc the GRC that caught fire had a hole in its block. Maybe the owner of that car tuned it or cooked the motor but in any case, you aren’t going to end up with a hole in the block of your brand new vehicle unless you’re doing something you really shouldn’t.

As for what the owner should do in this case, it’s hard to say because I am not familiar with consumer protections in Korea. If they have any legal recourse they should pursue it. OEMs love rejecting warranties on sports cars, especially if the owner is a young male. You have to make it hurt for them, either by reporting the failure to the national board of safety and recalls (NHTSA in America) or going to a lawyer and suing. It takes time, is tedious, and they will purposefully drag it out to make it as painful for you as possible but in America at least you can certainly win.

The other thing I will say is that from what I have heard from an owner whose engine did blow, in their case the dealer came right out and said that it was RTV clogging the pick up.

 

iirc the GRC that caught fire had a hole in its block. Maybe the owner of that car tuned it or cooked the motor but in any case, you aren’t going to end up with a hole in the block of your brand new vehicle unless you’re doing something you really shouldn’t.

You can definitely throw a rod through the block as a result of losing a rod bearing. I don’t really know if there are any weaknesses in the GRC oiling setup, but my friend did exactly this with no engine modifications in his gen 2 BRZ.

 

Yes, there are more gr86 than brz, but I would like to see the data between the two with any engine failures. Think that would be interesting to see.

 

The is like 3-4 is to 1 in favor of Toyota.

 

Oh boy. Here comes the panic all over again. 99% of you who worry have absolutely nothing to fear. Keep oil in it, change it at 5k miles and you will be fine. Those doing serious track driving have more to worry about. Everyone else who has a little spirited sprint here and there should have no concerns. Not watching oil levels and money shifts account for more blown engines than anything else here. The occasional "crap happens" event occurs rarely, but that is no different than an other brand. People just dont hear about it because there isn't a cult following on the Toyota Camry, or Nissan Altima websites and nobody really cares.

 

and i was asked why i never said anything about my engine problem LOL like opening a can of worms HAHAHAH

 

1% of the 20,000 GR86’s sold in the US is 200 units. If 200 units have blown their engines, Tort lawyers would be all over it. You may have something there.

I sure as hell dont like being subject to a throw of the dice

 

This whole 85mph rule is just ridiculous.. speed limits have increased over time since people keep going over the limit.
When I moved here to AZ back in '99, I think the freeway limit was 55. It was a two lanes for both directions. Now we are at 5 lanes, not including a carpool. Speed limit now is 75mph, and I see people going 85-90 all the time.

So basically at this point, im fucked. My warranty is voided since I have done several runs on open highways up to 120mph. Probably have done 60 on a 45 in the city. Some friends of mine shared a story of a local here in AZ that blew the motor on his 86 at 19,600 miles. Toyota is denying his warranty because he drove his car over 85mph. It seems this is his 2nd car, and does many canyon runs.

So basically all our cars have voided warranties at this point lol

 

Exactly. The fact this is happening on stock engines is what is concerning about FA24 reliability.

Could you share more info about this case? Like oil/overfill/tyres/suspension/aero/money shift?

Okay my bad, retracting this. I conflated one of my friend's failures with the MCA Suspension failure: GR86 Engine Failure | MCA Suspension. That one was using E85 and a tune, so it's not within the parameters that were discussed here.

I don't actually know of any failures where they threw a rod out of the block with a stock (& untuned) engine.

 

lets just say all warranties are denied at this point.. end of discussion

 

Yup, might as well get my 2.5L Stroker kit from HKS now

 

Boy, what a bunch if friggin' worry worts

 

That eau says "unless your vehicle has high speed capable tires". Im going to guess that every car sold for at least the last 15 years in the USA has tires that are rated for higher. I. In the case of both the GRC and GR86 the tire rating is significantly higher. Something that silly would never hold up. If the car cannot safely travel above 85 then that is where the speed liter should be set. Subaru\Toyota felt this car was safe up to 140mph so it has tires and a speed limiter to match. They so felt the engine was safe to rev to 7500rpm, which is where the rev limiter is. If using the vehicle within the programmed limits they dont have a leg to stand on. They dont issue traffic tickets.