It actually seems pretty decent based on the reviews. I look forward to seeing them out on the road but I hope I don't hear them straight piped at 3AM for at least a few years.

 

Base model with an open diff is a waste of money. And at $50k for the proper sports car is just too much. Im sure people will buy them, but not this guy.

 

I had a feeling it would play out this way -- at least $40k for the base, which will probably end up being around $45k in most markets as the bloodthirsty dealers do their ADM and 'special package' thing. No doubt even the base one is much faster than a GR86, but how much of that speed can you realistically use on the street in most circumstances? Don't get me wrong, it looks like a great package, but I don't find it as compelling as the GR86, especially when you mix in the value equation.

 

Better entry than the supra but no LSD I guess. Top vs Top seems equal.

 

I see most people saying they would just go for the Supra manual for a few thousand more at that point, and I agree entirely despite liking the Z quite a bit.

The chassis/trans (sans 9spd AT) is 14 years old and the engine is like 10yrs old iirc. It's a cool car, but that's a lot relative to the Supra's much newer chassis and drivetrain and it handles far better than a 370z.

I love that they made it and do really enjoy the interior and exterior, but I'm happy with my GR86 and would move to the Supra if I was going upmarket (gf is going from Hakone to A90 for instance). That said, I'm eyeing the GR Corolla for a couple years down the road truth be told...

 

I see most people saying they would just go for the Supra manual for a few thousand more at that point, and I agree entirely despite liking the Z quite a bit.

Just depends how faithful you are to the "japanese sports car"
Because the supra..... isnt.

 

I think this car looks fantastic and the price point was where I predicted it would fall. I think 50k is a tall order for the good one and I know people shit on them but the Supra has really grown on me. Now that both are "out" I think if it was my choice, I would rather have a Supra (even in the Auto... yes). Curious to hear what others would consider if you were in this price range in this market - 45-55k. I think nissan really needed this car though, it really restores some dignity to a brand that has become an afterthought in the performance world over the last decade.

 

Would love to drive one by comparison to the manual Supra. SavageGeese (my YT car guys of choice) were pretty hot on it in their review. But I myself haven’t been quite impressed at this point. But the truth is behind the wheel.

 

I think the Z has it all over the Supra as far as looks go; much cleaner and more cohesive than the mishmash of styling elements that is the Supra. Not to mention all the fake scoops and vents etc. I get it that it's about more than just the styling, but people will no doubt take it into consideration.

 

As a BMW fan, I like the Supra. And the B58 is the best I6 in production today so I really don’t mind it in the slightest. It’s thing that always irked me was no manual, so I’m glad the Z knocked some sense into
Toyota from there. Plus the Supra is lighter and smaller vs the Z. And there is a lot of headroom in that engine.

On BMW boards people joke the new Supra is the best Z4 BMW’s ever built 😂

 

Apparently the 40k base Z would affect the 4-cyl Zupra sales with simple but gorgeous design and loads of power. However, there are still problems including the ancient chassis mentioned above, as well as the amount of hard plastics inside. I used to think the Hyundai N models have the cheapest interior, but the Z looks even more horrible in the video.

 

I’m not just saying this because I own a 2022 BRZ, because I also used to have a 370Z; but as far as styling goes i think the BRZ and GR blow it away.

 

I agree with the base Z beating up on the 4 banger Supra. Imagine a BRZ/STI or GR86 TRD instead - I think those would both outsell the heck out of the 4 banger Supra and probably the base Z if they could sell it with ~320hp or so. H6? Stock supercharger? Turbo? Electric assist? The options are endless

 

If the base manual came with an LSD, I'm game. But forcing it into a $50k+ car, I'd rather get the manual Supra IF I was going to get a 2 seater. But I need the "practicality" of the GR86, so I'm going to continue my hunt for one.

 

Can't be that hard to add the LSD to the base model.

 

Not a fan of voiding powertrain warranties.

 

10K for LSD.......
Although you get more than just an LSD (Bigger wheels, nicer interior, Bigger brakes)

 

Yes, pretty dumb about the LSD. Even the GR Corolla can be upgraded with an LSD over open diff without going for Circuit trim...

 

I just think LSD should be standard period with cars like this.

 

I wonder where all the guys are that thought the 86 was overpriced and they "would rather get the new Z for 5k" more..
Suprise suprise

 

Buying a base model and adding a quality LSD and a better big brake kit eventually is the no-brainer. Literally nothing else worth the extra 10K. Car looks way cleaner without the spoiler too.

 

The Performance does come with forged, staggered wheels and bigger tires also. Adding those yourself would be at least several thousand $$$s. I'm not trying to defend the $10k upcharge, but I don't think you can just dismiss the wheel/tire package out of hand.

In any case, $51k for the top Z, which is the one to buy if you want the capability straight out of the box, is tough to justify when you can get the top GR86 for around $32k. I could afford whichever Z I wanted, but still won't pay that much for what is essentially a toy. $32k on the other hand...

 

Wouldn't the dealer really have to dig into the car to know if an LSD was added?

 

I doubt they'd notice on a normal basis. But if you had major powertrain issues and they combed through your car to see an LSD when your VIN shows the car didn't come with one from the factory, then strap yourself in youre going for a ride.

The variable however is not all dealers are the same. Sometimes they'll turn a blind eye and help you get the issue fixed under factory warranty, others may be all too happy to throw your ass under the bus.

 

One tip that I can give you all is find the best service department that you can and find the best service advisor in that department. They are the point man between you and the manufacturer.

One of the dealerships that I bought my new car from said that even just throwing Wheels on the car will void the entire factory warranty. No ifs or buts, straight up clarified that your entire factory warranty will be voided. Guess where I don't get my new car serviced at?

 

Definitely incorrect but good luck getting them to follow it without spending a lot of time and money.


As for power and all that for 40k I'll just order the hks super charger kit and the 3k left over for any issue and still be more reliable than a modern Renault....err I mean Nissan.

 

The more I think about it… At roughly $50k the Supra is a better option. Especially now you can get a stick. It’s lighter, faster and has higher limits and a better engine. But at $40k for the base, it is really disruptive. It’s a much better driver’s car than any 40k mustang, and it really has no competition at that point.

 

Apparently the Z's computer won't even let you do a burnout, regardless of trans... at least according to Jason Cammisa's review

 

Hmmm that's a bit stupid, but also makes some sense I guess as the only real reason to ever do a burnout is for drags...and I hope people put this car through it's proper paces on a road course rather than 1/4 mile. Maybe this will help prevent idiots from doing burnouts on city streets...