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I'm not sure we know much of anything for this car yet, other than the name. And I think even that is a rumor.

What does everyone expect to see here?

I feel like last time they under-delivered on the power with the FT86/GT86/Toyota 86. Still, with the Supra out and the new Supra, I can't think they'd give it much more.

A turbo 4-cyl would be great... maybe something that could be easily tuned.

What I don't want is lots of power and a BIG increase in the base price.
 

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A turbo is a must. So many of us 86 fans have been asking for more power for years now. The platform has so much potential.

There is a rumor lately going around that the next Subaru WRX STI will have a version of the 2.4L flat-four (already in the Subaru Ascent), producing 400 hp from the factory, and we're going to see a version of that engine, detuned so it doesn't threaten the Supra, in the new GR86.

If that engine makes 400 hp in the WRX STI, we know it will be feasible to tune the new GR86 to 400 hp. Can you imagine a 400 hp turbo 86?!?!
 

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A new report is suggesting the new GR86 platform will be an updated version of the ZC6/ZN6 platform sitting under the current 86, along with
  • sporting a non-turbo 2.4-litre engine (Subaru sourced) good for 162kW and 240N (it will remain naturally aspirated for now)
  • Aisin-sourced six-speed manual, or an eight-speed automatic gearbox.
  • revealed as early as March next year. Subaru is calling for last orders on the current-gen BRZ by July 20 this year, suggesting the launch of the new model will follow early in 2021
  • the new model measures in at 4250mm (width), 1780mm (width) and 1315mm (height), and rides on a 2570mm wheelbase.
Its important to note that "Neither Toyota nor Subaru in Australia have confirmed details of the new models to date"
 

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That's around 217-220 ps.hp. SUPER LAME.

It better be more power than that.
 

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The lack of a turbo will really be disappointing, hopefully they change their mind on that. What's really interesting from the Japanese report is how Toyota and Subaru view the 86/BRZ.

Here's what the article says, (translated from Japanese)

Eight years have passed since its debut in 2012, and it is about to be whispered by the advent of the next model (that is, a full model change) as an essential sports model to evolve.

We have already reported several times on this site regarding the next model, but it is a mistake that this "next" story has a great influence on the "Orders ended on July 20, 2020" announced this time. Absent.

According to one Toyota official, the end of orders for the Subaru BRZ may be reasonable in terms of sales volume.

Looking at the sales figures for January and February 2020, the BRZ has 64 units compared to 340 units, which had 86 units in January. In February, it was 37 units compared to 343 units, down to about 1/10.

Toyota's view is that while Toyota has decided that "86 has sufficient product strength", Subaru has different circumstances, "I want to move to the next model quickly", according to Toyota's perspective.

In addition, the different circumstances of the two companies are also reflected in the product strategy.

In short, this product strategy situation is in the medium- to long-term vision “STEP” that Subaru formulated in 2018.

Subaru has set a goal of "zero traffic fatalities due to Subaru vehicles by 2030", and at the "SUBARU Technology Meeting" held on January 20, this year, President Tomomi Nakamura made a more specific technical presentation to ensure safety. Strongly promoted.

On the other hand, the BRZ is not the only Subaru car to have an "eyesight." That is the problem for Subaru. It has now been found that this has a great influence on the next model.
 

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What I don't understand is why is it so hard for Toyota/Subaru to slap on a turbo as an optional higher power engine? Go to all this work and make a world-class dedicated platform and spend all this investment but there is no money to strap on a turbo? What? Toyota and Subaru sell tons of turbo cars all over the world so why has this been such a barrier for them? Tons and tons of enthusiasts would embrace this car even more with a more powerful engine.

Come on Toyota, we'll buy it if you just build it for us!!!
 

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What I don't understand is why is it so hard for Toyota/Subaru to slap on a turbo as an optional higher power engine? Go to all this work and make a world-class dedicated platform and spend all this investment but there is no money to strap on a turbo? What? Toyota and Subaru sell tons of turbo cars all over the world so why has this been such a barrier for them? Tons and tons of enthusiasts would embrace this car even more with a more powerful engine.

Come on Toyota, we'll buy it if you just build it for us!!!
Couldn't have said it better myself. If they add the turbo this is going to happen at dealers across the globe.

 

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What I don't understand is why is it so hard for Toyota/Subaru to slap on a turbo as an optional higher power engine? Go to all this work and make a world-class dedicated platform and spend all this investment but there is no money to strap on a turbo? What? Toyota and Subaru sell tons of turbo cars all over the world so why has this been such a barrier for them? Tons and tons of enthusiasts would embrace this car even more with a more powerful engine.

Come on Toyota, we'll buy it if you just build it for us!!!
AMEN!
It just seems so easy. What could possibly be the holdup... maybe some space under the hood? Cooling?

I'm really not sure.
 

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A new report is suggesting the new GR86 platform will be an updated version of the ZC6/ZN6 platform sitting under the current 86, along with
  • sporting a non-turbo 2.4-litre engine (Subaru sourced) good for 162kW and 240N (it will remain naturally aspirated for now)
  • Aisin-sourced six-speed manual, or an eight-speed automatic gearbox.
  • revealed as early as March next year. Subaru is calling for last orders on the current-gen BRZ by July 20 this year, suggesting the launch of the new model will follow early in 2021
  • the new model measures in at 4250mm (width), 1780mm (width) and 1315mm (height), and rides on a 2570mm wheelbase.
Its important to note that "Neither Toyota nor Subaru in Australia have confirmed details of the new models to date"
Motor Trend still seems to think that the GR86 will have Turbo, which is interesting.

A new powerplant is the headline news. After years of pleading from the public, Toyota and Subaru are finally giving the GR86 a turbocharger. Subaru's 2.4-liter turbocharged boxer four-cylinder is the obvious candidate, retuned from SUV duty where it makes 260 hp and 277 lb-ft in the Subaru Ascent. Even if the power figures don't change with the tune, it would still make 55 hp and 122 lb-ft more than the current GT86 and BRZ. Although it hasn't been confirmed yet, we expect both to offer a manual gearbox as well as an automatic.

 

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Motor Trend still seems to think that the GR86 will have Turbo, which is interesting.

A new powerplant is the headline news. After years of pleading from the public, Toyota and Subaru are finally giving the GR86 a turbocharger. Subaru's 2.4-liter turbocharged boxer four-cylinder is the obvious candidate, retuned from SUV duty where it makes 260 hp and 277 lb-ft in the Subaru Ascent. Even if the power figures don't change with the tune, it would still make 55 hp and 122 lb-ft more than the current GT86 and BRZ. Although it hasn't been confirmed yet, we expect both to offer a manual gearbox as well as an automatic.

I've seen a few outlets reporting this story. They reference the leak from the supposed dealer meeting which shows the new product timeline for Toyota. What I'm confused about is that initially, this gave as an idea only of the timeline of the release of the products, but then all of a sudden it's gospel that they're going to have a turbocharged 2.4 liter boxer four from this exact slideshow? I don't buy it.

The engine found in the Subaru Ascent makes 260 horsepower and 277 lb*ft of torque, as I'm sure we all know by now. I can't imagine Toyota and Subaru throwing that engine making that sort of power in a new 86 now that we have the Supra 2.0 making 255 horsepower with a turbo four. That doesn't make a lot of sense. What I can see, though, is a naturally aspirated version of that 2.4 liter engine. The current generation suffers most from the shape of its torque curve, I think, and a great way to increase torque output of an engine is to increase displacement. Additionally, one of the draws of this car when it debuted in 2012 was exactly that it was a lightweight, naturally aspirated, front engine, RWD sports car. I'd be shocked if they strayed from that philosophy so much as to really give it the 2.4T from the Ascent. Not to mention: that engine would significantly raise both curb weight, and the base price of these vehicles, and I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather take a cheaper, lighter sports car that's just as fun to drive than stretch my budget that much.
 

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I've seen a few outlets reporting this story. They reference the leak from the supposed dealer meeting which shows the new product timeline for Toyota. What I'm confused about is that initially, this gave as an idea only of the timeline of the release of the products, but then all of a sudden it's gospel that they're going to have a turbocharged 2.4 liter boxer four from this exact slideshow? I don't buy it.

The engine found in the Subaru Ascent makes 260 horsepower and 277 lb*ft of torque, as I'm sure we all know by now. I can't imagine Toyota and Subaru throwing that engine making that sort of power in a new 86 now that we have the Supra 2.0 making 255 horsepower with a turbo four. That doesn't make a lot of sense. What I can see, though, is a naturally aspirated version of that 2.4 liter engine. The current generation suffers most from the shape of its torque curve, I think, and a great way to increase torque output of an engine is to increase displacement. Additionally, one of the draws of this car when it debuted in 2012 was exactly that it was a lightweight, naturally aspirated, front engine, RWD sports car. I'd be shocked if they strayed from that philosophy so much as to really give it the 2.4T from the Ascent. Not to mention: that engine would significantly raise both curb weight, and the base price of these vehicles, and I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather take a cheaper, lighter sports car that's just as fun to drive than stretch my budget that much.
The next generation will be na for sure there are already reports from a Japanese source that confirms that, but then again it's just rumors. I also agree that the problem of the current gen is the shape of the curve and the torque so going for a bigger engine will solve that. The problem will be the price, because in Europe and especially in Portugal (where I live) we have huge taxes when it comes to engine displacement, which makes me wonder if I should wait for the next generation or buy the current one. I they offered a good tune and EL headers from the factory and maybe forged internals, most problems would be solved and car would be more appealing, but that's just my opinion.
 

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The Drive put together a good article that summarizes all the reports of the 86 being NA or Turbo so far.

Since the Subaru BRZ-slash-Toyota 86's launch in 2012, criticisms of the car have mainly targeted its power output, with members of the motoring media pining for an extra 10 or 20 horse. But with the model's coming redesign, which is expected to be revealed within a year, the new Toyobaru could reportedly gain more horsepower courtesy of an engine sourced from the Subaru Ascent—but whether it'll have that crucial turbocharger remains the subject of debate.

Japan's Best Car and domestic MotorTrend both agree that the upcoming sports car will utilize said crossover's 2.4-liter, all-aluminum flat-four, though they argue over its anticipated aspiration. The former claims no turbo, and an approximate power output of 217 horsepower and 177 pound-feet of torque. Meanwhile, the latter says aye to boost and claims an Ascent-paralleling 260 horse and 277 pound-feet.

A similar argument is had over the new 86's platform. Japan says it'll use a refurbished version of the current 86's chassis, with updates borrowed from the Subaru Global Platform introduced in 2017, whereas our countrymen "expect" it to migrate to a derivative of Toyota's TNGA architecture. More specificity over the upcoming model's dimensions, however, lend Best Car's story more credibility than MotorTrend's, as do details about Subaru's plans for phasing out the current BRZ.


According to the Best Car, Subaru is eager to replace its last remaining model without Subaru EyeSight safety tech as soon as possible, and plans to close order books for the current BRZ as soon as July 20. This was reportedly meant to precede the new model's debut by just a few months, with Subaru and Toyota initially planning the vehicle's reveal for Autumn of this year, though that was likely before everyone's plans for the year got hip-checked by a certain virus. Instead, Subaru and Toyota have reportedly pushed the redesigned model's reveal out to spring of 2021, by which point the world will hopefully be back on its feet, and ready to splash out on a new sports car.

 

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The Drive put together a good article that summarizes all the reports of the 86 being NA or Turbo so far.

Since the Subaru BRZ-slash-Toyota 86's launch in 2012, criticisms of the car have mainly targeted its power output, with members of the motoring media pining for an extra 10 or 20 horse. But with the model's coming redesign, which is expected to be revealed within a year, the new Toyobaru could reportedly gain more horsepower courtesy of an engine sourced from the Subaru Ascent—but whether it'll have that crucial turbocharger remains the subject of debate.

Japan's Best Car and domestic MotorTrend both agree that the upcoming sports car will utilize said crossover's 2.4-liter, all-aluminum flat-four, though they argue over its anticipated aspiration. The former claims no turbo, and an approximate power output of 217 horsepower and 177 pound-feet of torque. Meanwhile, the latter says aye to boost and claims an Ascent-paralleling 260 horse and 277 pound-feet.

A similar argument is had over the new 86's platform. Japan says it'll use a refurbished version of the current 86's chassis, with updates borrowed from the Subaru Global Platform introduced in 2017, whereas our countrymen "expect" it to migrate to a derivative of Toyota's TNGA architecture. More specificity over the upcoming model's dimensions, however, lend Best Car's story more credibility than MotorTrend's, as do details about Subaru's plans for phasing out the current BRZ.


According to the Best Car, Subaru is eager to replace its last remaining model without Subaru EyeSight safety tech as soon as possible, and plans to close order books for the current BRZ as soon as July 20. This was reportedly meant to precede the new model's debut by just a few months, with Subaru and Toyota initially planning the vehicle's reveal for Autumn of this year, though that was likely before everyone's plans for the year got hip-checked by a certain virus. Instead, Subaru and Toyota have reportedly pushed the redesigned model's reveal out to spring of 2021, by which point the world will hopefully be back on its feet, and ready to splash out on a new sports car.

As you said this was a very good article to read. I said something similar over on another thread, I dont think we'll get a factory turboed 86 due to the four cylinder supra. It just wouldnt make sense as it would undermine the four cylinder supra. Again I'd love even the option of getting a factory turbo or supercharger like Chevy did with the cobalt but its just wishful thinking. On the plus side of it staying NA is that the price will stay lower and if people are craving a turboed front engine rear wheel drive the four cylinder supra will be waiting for a higher price tag. Me personally the lack of power hasn't been off putting. The torque curve was annoying at first but after doing exhaust and cold air intake it is pretty much gone all for under $2000. So I'm into my 2017 86 $29000, in my opinion not bad for a car that is a blast to drive!
 

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The turbo is supposed to be offered for the 2022 GR86. Don’t know why they would skip the year
 

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I’m curious if they will offer a handling package to the TRD. Will a rear camera be standard or an option?
 

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So, does anyone think we’ll be able to use the configurator on the Toyota website to order the 86 spec’d the way we want, or will we have to take whatever the dealer has on the lot?
When looking on local (San Diego) dealer websites for the current 86, the Fiat 124 Spider(no longer imported to the US) and the Mazda Miata, it seems like they had twice as many auto trans as they did manual, and loaded them up with every option available.
 

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Subaru doesn't really build to order. The dealer can look for a configuration you want, that's about it. They build what they think will sell, powered by decades of metrics. These aren't german cars, there are only 5 colors and 2 trim levels.
 
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