[apex]

I just discovered five patent applications from both Subaru and Toyota that cover this partnership!

These documents are about the body of an electric vehicle and sections of the body structure. They show a sedan but I'm not sure we can be 100% on that just yet.

Its likely the rumored hot hatch that's also mentioned above and Toyobaru showing a sedan in patents gets close enough to that without completely giving the final model away.

This makes things even more exciting. It plays into what we've been hearing about e-TNGA platform development and will go a long way to boost performance. And there's really no other way to do a hot hatch in 2022+

 

[St00k]

VERY exciting!

Maybe someone could photoshop this into a sedan

 

[ae86ron]

I don’t want to ruin the excitement; but I noticed that the published date is April 1 ,2021. Isn’t this an April Fool’s prank?

 

[apex]

I don’t want to ruin the excitement; but I noticed that the published date is April 1 ,2021. Isn’t this an April Fool’s prank?

Not when there's been a lot of legitimate things going on the in background for a while and many clear examples in recent times of what consumers actually want. Its also unusual for information of this detail to be used as a prank from an automaker, or anyone really.

 

[Haskins]

I just discovered five patent applications from both Subaru and Toyota that cover this partnership!

These documents are about the body of an electric vehicle and sections of the body structure. They show a sedan but I'm not sure we can be 100% on that just yet.

Its likely the rumored hot hatch that's also mentioned above and Toyobaru showing a sedan in patents gets close enough to that without completely giving the final model away.

This makes things even more exciting. It plays into what we've been hearing about e-TNGA platform development and will go a long way to boost performance. And there's really no other way to do a hot hatch in 2022+

Not much to go on from the shape they use but regardless this is very very interesting. I hope it's a performance electric sedan rather than an economy car.

Nice job finding this @apex!

 

[Blighty]

I just discovered five patent applications from both Subaru and Toyota that cover this partnership!

These documents are about the body of an electric vehicle and sections of the body structure. They show a sedan but I'm not sure we can be 100% on that just yet.

Its likely the rumored hot hatch that's also mentioned above and Toyobaru showing a sedan in patents gets close enough to that without completely giving the final model away.

This makes things even more exciting. It plays into what we've been hearing about e-TNGA platform development and will go a long way to boost performance. And there's really no other way to do a hot hatch in 2022+

Great pickup!

I wonder if this is the new celica.

 

[86fanatics]

I like where your head is at, but I can't see Subaru partnering with Toyota on a WRX.

Besides there are some new spy photos out in the past few weeks of the upcoming WRX, so I think it's almost here. Or could Toyota just re-brand a version of the WRX for themselves???

I was thinking of Subaru making a performance hatch that is not WRX related. Like its own thing. But I actually changed my mind about all of this, read my new comment!

 

[86fanatics]

This pic was floating around today. Don't know if it's a leak or just fan art.

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Thats literally the BRZ but with the toyota bumper. Thats what they did with the 1st gen and what was expected out of the 2nd gen until the big man said it gotta be different.

 

[86fanatics]

Here is my NEW idea! For those who read my original idea I posted a few days ago, I still think that it is a strong possibility but I was thinking of something new the other day. I think this april 5th event IS in fact about the GR86. Both Toyota and Subaru will make an 86 that is eligible to be sold in Europe. This can be via engine changes or even a hybrid. The time line makes sense. First they already produced the BRZ/86. Then they announced it cant be sold in Europe for emissions or whatever. Toyota delays their reveal b/c they know they want to make the 86 available for the European market. So Akio Toyoda tells his team to make the car perform different then the BRZ. I think what he means by this is, make it eligible to be sold in Europe. Think about it, the brz/86 twins are already perfect for what it stands for. What more change could they possibly add without changing the selling price? I have a feeling they will talk about a hybrid GR86 or some type of more eco friendly GR86. And honestly, it makes sense even for the US market. Similar handling, the 86 will definitely faster and have more horse power then the BRZ, but won't have a manual trans (unless hybrid and manual is possible). The brz will be the slower of the 2, be NA, and provide a manual tranny.

 

[St00k]

I don't know @86fanatics

To engineer the car or re-engineer it to make it a hybrid. Seems excessive. And not what the car is about at all.

You'd need to do some crazy engineering to get all that extra weight in there. Unless it's a super mild hybrid that just does enough to squeak past Euro regs.

 

[ae86ron]

Watch live on either of these 2 links:

 

[VeeFource]

Here is my NEW idea! For those who read my original idea I posted a few days ago, I still think that it is a strong possibility but I was thinking of something new the other day. I think this april 5th event IS in fact about the GR86. Both Toyota and Subaru will make an 86 that is eligible to be sold in Europe. This can be via engine changes or even a hybrid. The time line makes sense. First they already produced the BRZ/86. Then they announced it cant be sold in Europe for emissions or whatever. Toyota delays their reveal b/c they know they want to make the 86 available for the European market. So Akio Toyoda tells his team to make the car perform different then the BRZ. I think what he means by this is, make it eligible to be sold in Europe. Think about it, the brz/86 twins are already perfect for what it stands for. What more change could they possibly add without changing the selling price? I have a feeling they will talk about a hybrid GR86 or some type of more eco friendly GR86. And honestly, it makes sense even for the US market. Similar handling, the 86 will definitely faster and have more horse power then the BRZ, but won't have a manual trans (unless hybrid and manual is possible). The brz will be the slower of the 2, be NA, and provide a manual tranny.

Not seen anything about the GR86 not being eligible to be sold in Europe, it's only the BRZ as Subaru's used up all their carbon allowance producing relatively polluting cars. Whereas Toyota have more of a margin to play with thanks to making a lot of hybrid & economical cars. I really really hope the GR86 makes it to the UK anyway.

 

[Blighty]

Not seen anything about the GR86 not being eligible to be sold in Europe, it's only the BRZ as Subaru's used up all their carbon allowance producing relatively polluting cars. Whereas Toyota have more of a margin to play with thanks to making a lot of hybrid & economical cars. I really really hope the GR86 makes it to the UK anyway.

It will be tight. They are phasing out some of the special rules (like a car that's sub 50gm emissions being worth two cars in the fleet carbon allowance) over the next 2 years.

 

[apex]

Can't wait to see what this vehicle is. Under 10 minutes left till we find out!

 

[apex]

Its the GR86 and BRZ!

 

[apex]

A press release with GR86 specs can be found in this thread:

TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New GR 86

Find everything you need to know about the 2022 GR86 in this TOYOTA GAZOO Racing press release: TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New GR 86Developing the unique driving feel of the GR 86 through friendly rivalry with Subaru Toyota City, Japan―On April 5, 2021, TOYOTA GAZOO...

www.gr86.org

These videos show the two cars in action.

 

[ae86ron]

 

[apex]

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Tough to say which one I like more. Both look great and express this platform in unique ways, although they're still very similar.

 

[ae86ron]

Tough to say which one I like more. Both look great and express this platform in unique ways, although they're still very similar.

The new twins seem to follow their 1st-gen’s formula a lot. Can’t wait to read and watch upcoming reviews and test drives about the twins to find out more about them!

 

[apex]

The new twins seem to follow their 1st-gen’s formula a lot. Can’t wait to read and watch upcoming reviews and test drives about the twins to find out more about them!

Some more can be found on these pages that Toyota and Subaru has on them. Do you see anything interesting?

SUBARU BRZ SPECIAL SITE | SUBARU BRZ | SUBARU

SUBARUが磨きつづけてきた独自の技術を結集して、“乗る人すべてが、安心して自由自在に愉しめる“そんな、新しい時代のスポーツカーをつくりたかった。新しいSUBARU BRZの魅力をぜひご覧ください。

www.subaru.jp

GR 86 | GR | TOYOTA GAZOO Racing

―SUBARUと切磋琢磨し、「GR 86らしい走りの味」へ進化―　新型GR 86は、GR スープラ、GR ヤリスに続く、TGRが展開するスポーツカーシリーズ「GR」のグローバルモデル第3弾です。

toyotagazooracing.com