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The GR86 sports car is expected to make up to 260hp and 277lb-ft of torque. Compared to the GR Supra 2.0, that's 5 more horsepower but about 20 lb-ft's less.

It gets even better when you look at price.

$40,000 (est.) gets you into a 2.0 GR Supra and about $30,000 (est.) for the GR86. A $10,000+ margin.

While not many looking at the 86 will be able to cross shop, if the production GR86 horsepower and torque numbers are actually what reports say, then this will be a good choice. Quite possibly, an even better choice than the four-cylinder Supra depending on what Toyota/Gazoo Racing does to the chassis, suspension, drivetrain, powertrain and basically every other area that needs to complement the engine.

Official Pricing?... I see that 260hp version of the GR86 going for $32,000+ to start (and $26,000+ for a base, non-turbo version).

Still a deal to me.
 

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Have they released 4-cyl Supra pricing yet? The regular one starts at $49,990. Or at least it did for the 335-hp version. I have to think the new 382-hp model will jump some from there.

The current 86 is 27k to start so I have to think the new one will be closer to $30k for sure.
 

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Have they released 4-cyl Supra pricing yet? The regular one starts at $49,990. Or at least it did for the 335-hp version. I have to think the new 382-hp model will jump some from there.

The current 86 is 27k to start so I have to think the new one will be closer to $30k for sure.
Only in Japan where the Supra 2.0 Price List is as follows:
  • ¥ 4,990,741 - Supra SZ | 2.0 (Converted to USD: $45,632)
  • ¥ 6,009,259 - Supra SZ-R | 2.0 (Converted to USD: $54,945)
  • ¥ 7,027,778 - Supra RZ | 3.0 (Converted to USD: $64,258)
2021 Toyota GR Supra 2.0 Price


Directly converting YEN to USD doesn't give us the greatest idea but you can see the gaps in price. I can't imagine the U.S. gap being any less than $9,000 to start.

The Supra 2.0 Priced from $40,000 sounds very reasonable to me considering those numbers
 

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Its on the Toyota website now.
It starts at $42,990.
Nitro Yellow exterior paint is an additional $425.
Safety and Technology package including navigation and a 12-speaker, 500 watt stereo system is $3485
 

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The pricing for the 2.0 really isn't that bad for what you get.
I've been reading different reviews on it and every single one seems to justify it.
Motor Trend did an article comparing the 86 to the 2.0 and 3.0 supra and they asked Tetsuya Tada, the engineer for the Supra and 86, and he said he loves all three cars, the supra 3.0, the 2.0 and the 86 each for their own sake.
"Personally, Tada said he wants the I-6 car for the track but would choose the Supra 2.0 as his daily driver. He prefers the nimbler car on winding roads, especially those with lots of elevation changes."2021 Toyota Supra 2.0 and 3.0 vs. 86: Which Sports Car Should You Buy?
I think if they don't jump the prices up to much it will be a decent step up from our little 86's
especially if they keep updating it along with the 3.0.
I don't like the idea of spending $3485 for apple car play, the JBL speakers and the safety shit and other tech though.
 

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Yeah, a lot of the stuff in the tech package seems to be standard on many cars. The problem with the navigation system is eventually you have to pay to update the maps. I got a GREAT stereo system for my Prius from Crutchfield for a lot less.
It would be nice to have a back-up camera included, but I’ve owned many cars without one.
 

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Yeah, a lot of the stuff in the tech package seems to be standard on many cars.
Yeah its kinda shitty they are charging that much for that but its the same for the 3.0 so at least they are consistent lol.
One thing that irks me about it too is that to get the upgraded speakers and apple car play I have to buy the full safety package.
Me personally i dont want all the safety crap.
 

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Yeah, a lot of the stuff in the tech package seems to be standard on many cars. The problem with the navigation system is eventually you have to pay to update the maps. I got a GREAT stereo system for my Prius from Crutchfield for a lot less.
It would be nice to have a back-up camera included, but I’ve owned many cars without one.
The back up camera will come with the stock car no matter what as it was mandated that any car after I think 2016 had to have a back up camera. The price for the tech and safety package doesn't sit well with me at all.
Like I said I personally don't want all the safety features I deem as irrelevant and unneeded, the blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert and the parking sensors. To me these are all irrelevant junk that I don't want as I won't use it.
i would like the apple car play though and the speaker set up. Just not for that much money lol.
Hopefully they are more realistic with the GR86.
 

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I looked at the Supra 2.0 tech again. Most of it will be standard. I can live without cruise control, the nav, the stereo.
 

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Cars.com goes in-depth about how the 86 compares to the Supra 2.0.


It’s not unheard of for a nonluxury automaker to have two performance cars in its showrooms: Chevrolet Camaro and Corvette, Nissan 370Z and GT-R, Ford Mustang and GT. But it is a bit odd for the Toyota GR Supra 2.0 and Toyota 86 to coexist as front-engine, rear-wheel-drive four-cylinder coupes with similar proportions. Said to bridge the gap between the 86 and six-cylinder Supra, the Supra 2.0 costs quite a bit less than its 3.0-liter sibling. I recently drove the new four-cylinder 2021 Supra and a well-equipped Toyota 86, the GT with TRD Handling Package, to figure out how Toyota’s four-cylinder sports cars compare.

One way they’re not close, however, is in starting price: The Supra 2.0 starts at nearly $16,000 more than an entry-level 86 ($43,945 versus $28,015, each including destination). Beyond price, the Toyota 86 and Supra 2.0 couldn’t be more different in how they drive — and I’m not sure one of them hits the mark for a sports car.

Power!
The Supra 2.0 has the power, even in four-cylinder trim, with 255 horsepower and 295 pounds-feet of torque. That may seem underwhelming, but the Supra gets up and goes, hitting 60 mph in an impressive manufacturer-estimated 5.0 seconds (versus 3.9 seconds for the 382-hp Supra 3.0). This isn’t surprising considering the source of the Supra’s turbocharged engines is BMW, whose modestly rated engines have still made for brisk acceleration in our testing. With this potent, responsive four-cylinder, the Supra delivers acceleration goodies the poky 86, related Subaru BRZ and erstwhile Scion FR-S always lacked. The 86’s horizontally opposed 2.0-liter four-cylinder makes 205 hp when paired with the manual transmission, but it also has a barely perceivable 156 pounds-feet of torque, which is 139 pounds-feet less than the Supra 2.0. In other words, the latter Toyota has 89% more torque but just 13% more curb weight.

Otherwise, the Supra’s go-go experience is fairly lackluster, with an eight-speed automatic that’s proficient but somewhat lifeless compared with the engaging, precise six-speed manual in the 86 TRD. Make no mistake, the Supra’s eight-speed is quick to pick the right gear and speed through upshifts and downshifts, but Toyota offers no manual transmission in any Supra, which is actually a trendy choice. I’d prefer no manual to a bad one, but there’s no such concern in the 86, which has one of the best manual-shifting experiences in the game. (We also know the 86’s six-speed automatic is not the best way to get an 86, unless you want to be outrun by a minivan.)

Also numbing the Supra 2.0’s experience is that the four-cylinder engine makes few noises under the hood or out the tailpipes. Its muted presence is great for a Bavarian sedan but less ideal for a sports car. The 86 TRD I tested had optional TRD-equipped pipes that make for a mellow but aggressive tone. Plus, it routes engine noise to the cabin mechanically — versus artificially, as the Supra does, so I felt more connected to the engine, however poky it may’ve been. (For how critical I sound about the 86’s power, note that it was enough for us to name the then-Scion FR-S and Subaru BRZ our favorite car of 2013, and we owned a BRZ for a year that I still hold in high regard.)

How the 86 and Supra 2.0 Handle Differently
The hard-edged tuning and adaptive shocks that make the six-cylinder Supra 3.0 a corner carver are curiously absent in its four-cylinder sibling, replaced by a much more compliant suspension with passive shocks that better isolates the driver from the road. Toyota intentionally tuned the Supra 2.0’s suspension for comfort. In short, it’s not a car I found very rewarding to drive spiritedly as I did the Supra 3.0: The 86 leans more toward the sharpness of the Supra 3.0, and it’s perhaps even more elevated in the granularity of steering feedback and how quickly the 86 reacts to driver inputs.

The 86’s lower curb weight — in the variants I tested, it’s 364 pounds lighter than the Supra 2.0 (2,817 pounds to 3,181 pounds) — helps with its eagerness, and so does the fact that the 86 TRD I tested is the epitome of factory 86 special editions. It has all the goods to make a more appropriate track-day toy versus the softer Supra 2.0, including a limited-slip differential (the Supra 2.0 has an open differential), four-piston calipers for the front brakes and four-piston calipers for the rears (the Supra 2.0 has single-piston front and rear calipers), and a tuned-up set of Sachs shocks compared with the standard 86. The 86 TRD really is the ultimate factory offering of the 86; to say its handling is buttoned up is an understatement. My test car came with grippy Michelin Pilot Sport 4 tires and optional TRD sway bars with polyurethane bushings that make the 86 a planted, sturdy handler.

If you’re looking to spend miles on the open (straight) road, however, the Supra 2.0 is the way to go. The 86 TRD will do a number on your spine. Putting the ball back in the 86’s court, however, is the fact that air pressure won’t jackhammer your eardrums with the windows down above 40 mph, as it does in the Supra.

Matters of Money
Toyota partnered with Subaru for the 86 and BMW for the Supra, which explains the near-$16,000 difference in starting prices. My 86 test car was kitted to almost $35,000, which shrunk the gap between it and the entry-level Supra 2.0 to only $9,000. Throw this into any online discussion forum and commenters would proclaim you could put a lot of power into an 86 with that savings, bruh.

But you get more than power in the Supra 2.0. Toyota’s larger sports car is filled with BMW-level materials quality and higher-tech features. The 86 lacks any advanced driver-assistance tech, such as adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring, rear cross-traffic alert and parking sensors. It also lacks wireless Apple CarPlay, which the Supra offers in the $3,485 Safety & Technology Package that includes adaptive cruise control, blind spot monitoring, rear cross-traffic alert, parking sensors, navigation, wireless Apple CarPlay and upgraded JBL stereo. The 86 also lacks forward collision warning or automatic emergency braking, both features standard on the Supra and many other Toyotas. I do like the 86’s four-seater configuration and a trunk with a folding backseat (as advertised, I’ve fit four tires in the back of one), which makes it a bit more usable than the two-seat Supra’s hatchback configuration.

If there’s one thing I learned while driving these two four-cylinder Toyota coupes, it’s that there’s certainly a place for both in Toyota’s lineup because they drive so differently. And if you’re an 86, BRZ or FR-S owner who swooned at the prospect of a more affordable Supra, then continue to save up for the Supra 3.0 because the Supra 2.0 is more of a sporty car than a sports car. On the plus side, the changes for 2021 mean a 2020 Supra that came only with the fiery six-cylinder might take a big enough depreciation hit to make a 2020 example more affordable than imagined.
 

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The 4 banger Zupra is $47,430 with options. If the 86 stays at its current $26-$27k price range I'm going with the latter.

The Supra 2.0 is in Toyota’s website. It is $42,990. I don’t think the would price it too close to the 3.0.
The next 86 is supposed to start at around $30k
 

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Right, but start adding on options. ;)
Just the safety and technology package, which is insane at $3485. I’ll use my iPhone for navigation, like I do now. I think they kinda lost their minds pricing them. You can get a Lexus RC F Sport from $46,365. More car for the money.
 

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Just the safety and technology package, which is insane at $3485. I’ll use my iPhone for navigation, like I do now. I think they kinda lost their minds pricing them. You can get a Lexus RC F Sport from $46,365. More car for the money.
There is a few more stuff you can add on. Right, why would anyone buy the 4 banger Zupra. It'a DOA.
 

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There is a few more stuff you can add on. Right, why would anyone buy the 4 banger Zupra. It'a DOA.
Its all worthless. Paint protection film, wheel locks, etc. Mostly cosmetic things. The 2.0 will not have Brembo brakes or limited-slip diff and adaptive dampers. BUT, it is getting good reviews.
 

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Its all worthless. Paint protection film, wheel locks, etc. Mostly cosmetic things. The 2.0 will not have Brembo brakes or limited-slip diff and adaptive dampers. BUT, it is getting good reviews.
I think that is an overstatement. Most of them are mix at best. The only positive is that it is cheaper, lighter and some say it handles better. Only a hand few of them say they would pick the 2.0. Most say they rather folk over a few extra grand for the 3.0.

Matt: This isn't even really a great sports car by BMW standards, and is certainly not what I am looking for in a Toyota.

Roman: If it were my money I would spend the extra cash on the straight six.

CarBuzz: The Supra was meant to have an inline six. It was meant to sound like that, and thats why I prefer the 3.0.
 

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If you are choosing the 3.0 Premium vs the 2.0, you are talking about a $12k difference. If you are talking about the 3.0, that’s an $8k difference. If I had the money, I would buy the 3.0 Premium, but I don’t. I doubt I could afford the 2.0, so I’ll have to wait for the GR86
 

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If you are choosing the 3.0 Premium vs the 2.0, you are talking about a $12k difference. If you are talking about the 3.0, that’s an $8k difference. If I had the money, I would buy the 3.0 Premium, but I don’t. I doubt I could afford the 2.0, so I’ll have to wait for the GR86
Just wait a few yrs for used low mileage one to hit the market. I'm sure they will be tons in the $30k price range. It's a BMW after all lol. A few yrs ago I picked up a one owner Z4 with 33k for 1/6 of MSRP.
 
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