I'd really like it if someone in one of these styling departments knew how to draw an actual good looking front end. The ND Miata actually looks good, but the BR-Z is odd and the Nissan and GR86 are undistinguished.Yes, I have been following the development of the Nissan Z35 and I have 3 concerns;
Over weight
Over powered
Over priced
The retro styling looks promising and the manual transmission is defiantly a +. Just my $0.02 worth.
So far the BRZ does look like a better looking car. But for reasons unknown Toyota hasn't bothered with promoting the GR86 at all. It will be interesting to see if the styling differences justify the price difference.The build division appears to be 75% Subaru, 25% Toyota approximately. I have seen quit a bit of the new BRZ and find the styling pleasing. Therefore, I plan on cutting out the middle man (Toyota) and buy a BRZ. This will be like the second coming of the Datsun 240Z.
There is no such thing as overpowered.Yes, I have been following the development of the Nissan Z35 and I have 3 concerns;
Over weight
Over powered
Over priced
The retro styling looks promising and the manual transmission is defiantly a +. Just my $0.02 worth.
As a stand alone, no. But unless a car is quite expensive, high power also means high weight, which kills the attributes a sports car needs to be playful on a curvy road. And "quite expensive" is well past the BRZ/GR86 range. Even Corvettes and Porsches are losing some of their playfulness because they are getting too damn heavy.There is no such thing as overpowered.
Power is only part of it.As a stand alone, no. But unless a car is quite expensive, high power also means high weight, which kills the attributes a sports car needs to be playful on a curvy road. And "quite expensive" is well past the BRZ/GR86 range. Even Corvettes and Porsches are losing some of their playfulness because they are getting too damn heavy.
I'll give the "yes, but" here. The new 86 is gaining something like 20 pounds and may cost about the same - but with a bit more power. Mazda even managed to pare close to 200 pounds off the NC Miata for the ND. Yes, they made it smaller, but the current version doesn't weigh more than the NA of 30 years ago. Not gaining weight is more about the manufacturer caring about weight and not overloading a car with "luxury" baubles that add weight.Power is only part of it.
Cars are getting heavier because they have to strengthen the structure to withstand the crash tests. It is getting heavier because of the multiple amenities that the consumers want.
Cars are getting more expensive because of the above plus adjustment to the inflation coming from the workers’ salaries.
I hope Toyota kicks off the 2nd-gen 86 with something like the Hakone Edition of the 1st-gen but toned down a bit. I would love to see the new 86 to have a signature color of either green or blue, something that will be limited to it. I also hope it be more differentiated than the BRZ. Patiently waiting till the unveil soon...The BRZ for me right now.
But I've had a lot more time seeing that cars real pictures in the metal. And originally it took me a while to like the BRZ, because mentally I couldn't get the old car out of my head - and now I love it.
And neither of them in the flesh of course. So I certainly think that when I actually see proper metal pictures of the toyota it might change, and in particular I'm not happy with the WRC Blue being the special color, so I'm keen on seeing what signature color Toyota will go with (so long as its not burnt orange again). I'm hoping for a light blue/green/silver pearlescent based color that shows all the new body lines.
I've already got a deposit on the Toyota, I might put one down on the Subaru (if they let me) and just pick my favorite when they release.
There are always special editions when the car debuts - they don't tend to re-use the same stuff unless its a heritage color (like the WRC Blue).I hope Toyota kicks off the 2nd-gen 86 with something like the Hakone Edition of the 1st-gen but toned down a bit. I would love to see the new 86 to have a signature color of either green or blue, something that will be limited to it. I also hope it be more differentiated than the BRZ. Patiently waiting till the unveil soon...
As a Subaru fan what do you think of the engine change to the 2.4L boxer?I'm going with the BRZ, mainly because I'm bit of a Subaru fanboy. But after seeing the patent leak it kind of sealed the deal. I think both will look good, but I do like the BRZ looks more, and maybe that just part of my bias, idk.
Though I like the WRC Blue, and it fits the car surprisingly well, I too was hoping for bit of a different signature debut color. I'm still undecided what color I like the most, in the end it might come down to what I can get my hands on first.
I think its what the original twins deserved. A set of headers and tune get the 1st Gen to basically the same hp. So I bet the same on this will be perfect, maybe ~250-260 with headers and a tune.As a Subaru fan what do you think of the engine change to the 2.4L boxer?
Welcome to the forum @SockMonkeyI'm going with the BRZ, mainly because I'm bit of a Subaru fanboy. But after seeing the patent leak it kind of sealed the deal. I think both will look good, but I do like the BRZ looks more, and maybe that just part of my bias, idk.
Though I like the WRC Blue, and it fits the car surprisingly well, I too was hoping for bit of a different signature debut color. I'm still undecided what color I like the most, in the end it might come down to what I can get my hands on first.
Thank you!Welcome to the forum @SockMonkey
Being a Subaru fanboy, any things you have on your wishlist for when the 2022 BRZ configurator finally becomes available?
The added horsepower and more importantly torque is going to besuch a great feeling in these new cars.I think its what the original twins deserved. A set of headers and tune get the 1st Gen to basically the same hp. So I bet the same on this will be perfect, maybe ~250-260 with headers and a tune.
It's cool to think a 2.5l ej25 made 165hp and 166lb-ft and now the 2.4l fa24 makes 228hp and 184lb-ft.