[DylanJZA]

I went with an auto because I do a 4hr drive four times a month and because traffic in town and on the interstate is often congested for various reasons. The AT itself, extra 4-5mpg, and adaptive cruise make all of this MUCH easier for DD reasons. That said, it has a great manual mode and I keep it there at all times vs just popping it into D; regular auto mode is not something I care for tbh (it loves upshifting to the highest gear for fuel economy and thats not my thing). If it did not have this, I would have gone MT or passed on the car altogether.

Many people get straight up angry when you mention reasoning for AT and will typically say there are other better options for a DD in AT, but I disagree unless the only argument is practicality lol. Unless were talking A90 Supra (an extra $23k) or something else more expensive RWD. You still get an amazing chassis, handling, and an engine making 100hp/L, and that's why I bought it.

BUT if I lived in a place like I used to in FL that didn't have all the bullshit, I'd pass on the AT all day and go MT for sure.

 

[DylanJZA]

Hmmm...

It doesn't have to be in the standard AT mode for improved fuel economy, but I can understand your confusion. I was speaking to the gearing advantage, but also that I don't like it upshifting to like 6th gear when I'd prefer to be in say 2nd/3rd around town.

Gets 34-35mpg in M6 or D at 75mph. Around town, I likely lose a little keeping it in manual mode but I'm fine with that.

 

[DylanJZA]

I have a 700hp Supra in manual, so I get the benefits and joy of owning a manual car. We also have a manual ND MX5, and AT A91-CF and GR86. People gonna be mad no matter what ya do in life, just gotta make sure you make decisions for yourself vs others lol.

 

[DylanJZA]

I respect your perspective - I don’t find our cars to sound particularly good, nor do I find engine noise to be an objectively “good” thing for a commuter car. So the noise component is irrelevant.

Now that is an interesting perspective lol. I think they sound pretty decent, albeit nothing amazing, but that's due to a good combo of intake and exhaust on my car. I also feel those sounds/noises to be a good thing regardless of commuting or having fun pounding corners.

You couldn't pay me to own an EV other than as a secondary vehicle purely for novelty or just to haul kids around or something lol

 

[DylanJZA]

I lowkey want two versions of this car, AT and MT.

MT with all the track oriented suspension parts.

And

AT with the softest suspension parts as a DD.

I'm tired of charlotte rush hours stop and go traffic. With constantly clutching in and clutching out.

Either way, you're getting a good car. AT or MT

A refreshing outlook to be sure. I kind of have that with the manual ND MX-5 and the AT GR86 IMO. The MX5 AT is super meh in comparison...

 

[DylanJZA]

I’m going to say probably pretty similar honestly. The auto gr86 I was in recently felt like ~3-500 Msec to shift. That’s just butt dyno and if anyone knows please correct me.

But that’s in the realm of being doable for a decent MT driver. Plus MT gains the ability to clutch dump and launch harder. As well as less powertrain losses vs the torque converter. I think the MT would be .5 sec quicker to 60 still, and slightly faster around a track just due to weight and efficiency. But it would be closer.

I think 300ms is probably about right given the ZF8 in the Supra will do about 150ms. That's only under full throttle though; it slows down a lot when it detects lower TPS %

There was a thread on FB where MT owners were posting their 0-60s and iirc only the PS4 equipped cars with aggressive launches were seeing anything close to the time magazines were quoting. Plenty were up mid-6 or closer to 7s either due to skill level and/or the Primacys.

So if you're good at driving manual and can launch it hard then its quite a bit faster, but that's only if you're adept at it. From a roll, the manual is def faster no matter what.

Yea, automatic will likely be more consistent.

This basically.

 

[DylanJZA]

Yeah, that 5.4 was with rollout too. So that's like 5.7 if you're not at a dragstrip and just using a stopwatch from a dig. Still a really good time with a perfect launch and conditions though as you said. If you're under 6s, then you're already doing better than the Toyota quoted 6.1s either way.

 

[DylanJZA]

Interestingly enough, I read an article that Subaru has to implement AEB on their manuals by gov mandate in certain areas by 2024 or 2025, so it will be interesting to see how that goes.

Subaru also said that they are testing EyeSight features with the manuals which makes sense given the above.

 

[DylanJZA]

Legitimately the last... Best Car just released an article showing the 3rd gen 86/BRZ are coming in 2025 due to emissions (AT+MT) and safety regs (MT) and how the 2nd gen doesn't meet them for the EU and some other regions. They actually have a 3rd gen test mule now apparently, following the GR86s with the 1.6L installed, and the earlier first gen that was adapted to use hybrid systems. It is all Toyota, built on a shortened IS platform, using the 1.6L turbo + hybrid.

おおぉ…動いていたか!! 新型GR86開発情報キャッチ　2025年登場で今度の主役はトヨタ製 - 自動車情報誌「ベストカー」

先日SNS上で「オーダーストップ」「現行型生産終了か」という噂が巻き起こったトヨタGR86/スバルBRZ。こちらは「年次改良のための受付停止」と判明したが、新たに次期型、3代目の開発情報をキャッチ！その中身は、果たして!!? #トヨタ #GR86 #86

bestcarweb.jp

Translation:

Aiming to debut in 2025, the next-generation 86/BRZ is already under development. In contrast to the current model, which was developed mainly by Subaru, it is said that development is being led by Toyota (anticipated CG created by the best car editorial department).

As the movement toward decarbonization progresses, there are concerns about the continuation of pure engine sports. One of them is the GR86, but there are plans for the next model, and development has already begun. And the development system will change in the next model.

Both the first generation and the current model have been made with Subaru's horizontally opposed engine and platform, but the next model will be developed with Toyota's engineering. The current plan is to combine the engine with a 1.6L 3-cylinder turbo of GR Yaris or GR Corolla with a 2-clutch 1-motor hybrid system. Of course, the drive system inherits FR. It is information that the platform will adopt the Lexus IS for FR with a short wheelbase.

A test bed with a power unit installed in the chassis has just been completed, and full-scale development is still to come. The next model will survive with electrification, but the point is to make it hybrid. The hybrid is directly connected to the engine, which is used in the new crown crossover, etc., and is characterized by the ability to enjoy driving with a sense of directness. The 1.6L turbo, which produces 272ps in the GR Yaris, is further improved in power performance by the hybrid motor assist, and is compatible with fuel efficiency. It seems to be a power unit suitable for next-generation sports.

At the same time, the Subaru BRZ is also planned to be renewed. Debut is expected in 2025.

Toyota new GR86 expected specs:
・Length: 4400mm
・Width: 1800mm
・Height: 1300mm
・Wheelbase : 2600mm
・Vehicle weight: 1350kg
・Power unit: 1.6L, direct 3DOHC + turbo + motor
・Maximum output/maximum torque: 272ps/37.7kgm
・System maximum output: 320-330ps
・Transmission: 6MT/6AT
・Estimated price: 4-4.5 million yen

 

[DylanJZA]

Yeah, they quote a figure equivalent to 34k... I'm thinking it will start at 35k and probably top at near or a little above 40k (similar to GR Corolla). Might even be more tbh because it will no longer compete with the 4cyl Supra at that point, as the Supra ends production in 2025 for MY26.

 

[DylanJZA]

Well, that part is not clear IMO. Either the new BRZ will be simply a rebadged Toyota (what I thought they're saying here) or will completely diverge into it's own thing. Subaru confirmed they are working on Eyesight for their manuals for the 2025 mandates cutoff, but does that mean for the ZD8 (+WRX), a third gen in-house BRZ, or the Toyota option.

 

[DylanJZA]

I’d probably be happy with the 1.6 turbo and electric motor delete option.

I'm def interested to see what the hybrid brings to the table. I think it's going to improve mpg significantly in town and give a nice healthy torque bump because the 1.6L has been quoted as being fairly lifeless under 2500rpm by owners and reviewers alike (small displacement and higher output will do that).

 

[DylanJZA]

I agree with being a stopgap, but I disagree with them not being a good technological solution; they have their place like anything.

The ICE doesn't posses the proper response and mpg, the BEV doesn't posses the noise, excitement, and possibly range. Thus we have the hybrid which allows both to exist together without losing each quality entirely. It's an excellent solution when done well IMO.

Although PHEV are arguably the best combo I think.

 

[DylanJZA]

I agree with a lot of what was said there, including ending personal transport as the end game piece. That said, I do wish we had a lot better public transport like the EU and Asia, but I understand how our vast expanses of land and distances between cities makes that more challenging especially this late to the game.

 

[DylanJZA]

I had a 2003 Maxima SE AT (for 9yrs) as my DD and my JZA70 Supra 5MT as the fun car. Before that, the Supra was my DD for about 6 years. Now the GR86 AT is the DD, Supra is still the fun car, but I have the girlfriend too and she owns the AP2 S2K, ND1 MX5 MT, and A91-CF Supra AT.