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Learn from my mistakes: Steel brake line/Brembo install

21K views 41 replies 15 participants last post by  SheperdX  
#1 · (Edited)
TL;DR:
  • Make sure to remove the ABS sensor before pulling the wheel hub. Otherwise you will bend the metal seal cover
  • *Get a 10mm flare wrench, and for the love of all that is good, be super careful with the flare nut. If you strip it, you are F****d. *

Our story starts out as any other would: pure unbridled hope in ones eyes of installing shiny new things on our beloved BRZ/86. Come to find a 1 day job would end up taking 7 days.

I bought new Brembos from the performance package for the previous MY (2017 BRZ PP) as well as steel brake lines accompanying my new brembos.

There was already a wonderful guide posted by this youtuber here on how to do just this (minus the steel brake lines):


okay awesome! I got all my tools in order and started the job.
1st mistake I made: I did not realize I needed a flare wrench and stripped the top of the flare nut when attempting to install the steel brake lines. Totally my fault as taking a mere peak on the internet, shows nearly every person specifying that you need a flare wrench like this:
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For you noobs out there like me, let me be 1,000% clear: a regular 10mm wrench or adjustable wrench will. not. work. If you dont have a 10mm wrench that looks just like the above^, or a fucking vice grip wrench as such:
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It wont work.


After finally receiving my flare wrench, I continue on following the video for replacing the brake dust shields in the rear.

My next mistake:
-not removing the ABS sensor before pulling the wheel hub off the axle, which bent the little cover as seen here (that top hole is where the ABS sensor sits with a 10mm bolt that holds it in place):
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but all in all that wasn't that big of a deal. Bending it back a little and I got it fairly straight again.


Now for the bread and butter of why this took so long.
I stripped the flare nut threads by not having it perfectly straight with the steel brake line:
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Stripped one is on the left, in the middle of the threads. If you look closely, you can see its in a slight ^ shape. This caused a whole lot of problems.
closer look at the stripped nut:
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First off, the dealership doesn't sell just the nut, I've learned. You have to buy the entire ABS brake pipe assembly because they come pre-set onto the steel lines that are attached to the chassis. The part number for this is 26514CC010, which costs $177.00:
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Okay, so that's out of the question. Lets go aftermarket. We are looking for a M10x1.0 inverted flare nut. Found them on amazon. But guess what?
IT DOESN'T FIT OVER OUR STEEL BRAKE LINES.

I start taking some measurements with my caliper. The OEM 2022 MY nut that I have (IE, the one that I stripped) has an ID of ~5.19mm:
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Where-as all the ID's for M10 aftermarket ones are... (drumroll):
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#BLESSED. I REALIZE I HAD AN M10 NUT FROM A 2017 BRZ BREMBO PACKAGE. SAVED AT LAST!
Wanna guess what size the ID was?
...4.88mm
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Lovely. I was at my whits end. Apparently Subaru in all their wisdom increased the diameter of the steel brake lines just enough that it requires a special m10 nut
that the previous MY BRZ flare nuts do not fit over.

What's funny is I bought by accident 3/8"-24 thread standard fittings. I curiously measured the ID of those:
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lmao. Lovely. American standard freedom units have an ID that fits over the line. They can't learn how to make a mustang turn without crashing, but they can make a nut that fits over Japanese brake lines.

I ended up having to buy a "Metric Brake Line Adapter for 3/16" Tube, (Female) Inverted Flare, 3/8-24 to (Male) ISO/Bubble Flare, Metric 10mm x 1" and used the 3/8-24 flare nut along with it:
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Member those Babushka dolls? Take that concept and apply it to fittingception:
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"Yo dawg, i heard you like flare nuts. So I got a flare nut for your flare nut"



Oh and we didn't even talk about how to flare brake lines, so here's more shit you have to buy:



Joking aside, this was all extremely frustrating, not to mention rage-inducing. We can all laugh about it now. However, if this happens to you, the during part will be painful.
In conclusion: be stupid gentle with the OEM flare nuts as they are a different diameter than the previous model, and aftermarket doesn't have a direct carry-over.
 
#3 · (Edited)
I did DBA T3 4000 series rotors
Front rotor PN: DBA4654S-10
Rear rotor PN: DBA42656S-10

With Project MU B-Force brake pads:
Front pads: PBF506
Rear pads: PBR906

Spiegler Stainless Steel brake lines:
Front PN-13.02.03901
Rear PN- 13.02.04001

Brake parts themselves:
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Part Number​
Part Name​
Price​
Quantity​
Total​
26292CA060​
Caliper​
$606.33​
1​
$606.33​
26292CA070​
Caliper​
$606.33​
1​
$606.33​
26692CA060​
Disc Brake Caliper​
$563.02​
1​
$563.02​
26692CA070​
Disc Brake Caliper​
$563.02​
1​
$563.02​


The steel brake lines made a load of difference to the pedal feel. Its amazing and unlike anything i've felt in previous BRZ's. I've had the PP brembos on my 2017 BRZ, and I loved them. They feel much better than stock obviously, but I have not sent it just yet, so I can't comment regarding how well they hold up. Fluid was Motuls RBF 660


I also haven't take any good pics yet with the car all clean. That said, here are some shitty pics of the brembos installed:
(btw, 3mm of clearance between the rim and the brake, lmao. Might get a spacer in the future.)
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#6 · (Edited)
It is not. But honestly, if youre gonna dish the dough out, I'm of the opinion "you might as well", as I can honestly say the feel of what you get is worth this hell I had to endure.

Just make sure to meditate before messing the with flare nut, because you'll need all the patience in the world. oh and PB blaster.
 
#11 ·
You will get upgraded feel from various sources, the brake lines are definitely one of them!

A monobloc or 2 piece non floating caliper will be much stiffer on its own and won't flex like the OE caliper would under track conditions.

Pads themselves...some compounds will feel softer than others...this is basically up to the compound itself.

Master Cylinder brace. This reduces firewall flex. I always thought this was BS until I installed one. Love it.
 
#10 ·
So i was fortunate enough to inherit a shit ton of SnapOn tools which I would have never had the chance of buying. Among those tools was a complete set of metric flare wrenches. The 10mm one is the one I've used the most as this is the size of the OE bleeder and I've bleed the brakes on this car 1,000 times. Except I'm an idiot. and one of those times I bled the brakes at the track i removed the bleed line and bottle and left the damned wrench on the car, slapped the wheel on and drove off happy. until the wrench fell off, and i didn't notice, until i needed the wrench again, realized i didn't have it, realized where I used it last, realized i must have left it on the car as there is no other logical explanation.

No harm, no foul right?

Until you go install your AP racing BBK and realize you need said 10mm flare nut wrench. No problem, go to autoparts and buy a 10mm flare wrench. Go home and strip the hell out of it because it is a POS tool that has a ton of play. I had no choice but to use vice grips to remove the one flare nut I stripped the nut on. For the other side I utilized a jerry rig suggested by a friend who had suffered the same fate many years ago. You place the flare nut wrench on the nut. Then you grab the vice grip and place it over the flare wrench to prevent the shitty flare wrench from opening up as you try and loosen the flare nut that must have been installed and tightened by Zeus, King Kong, Godzilla, Captain America and Thor together.

Lesson #1 - The flare nuts on this car are WAAAAAAY over-tightened.
Lesson #2 - Use high quality tools so that you don't FUGG your car up.

I have in the back of my mind that I would like to replace the brake line because I'm OCD and don't want a jacked up flare nut on the car. But at the same time, I know I'm never going to need to remove it any time soon, so I'm good to go for now.
 
#21 ·
I pretty much repeated what the OP did - messed up the passenger front flare nut. Driver side went fine and I wasn't paying too much attention and destroyed the nut on the passenger side.
However, I didn't have any issues using a "generic" flare nut from amazon with 4.88 ID. Worked for me without any issues.

@marklabour1967 10mm.
huh, interesting.

Well good to know. Did you confirm that the ID was 4.88mm on the generic one you got?
 
#31 ·
@SheperdX Glad you called this out! I'm in the middle of installing a BBK and a bit paranoid of breaking the sensors, since I removed both rear hubs before I saw your post, but it appears as though I got lucky and neither sensor broke. That said, I don't know how the sensors work, and can't tell how they're supposed to be installed. What is the correct order of operations for removing/reinstalling the sensor? Remove it first, and reconnect it last? Is it supposed to slide into the bearing in the hub or something?

@Thing_GR86 The TRD Monoblock kit requires trimming the rear shields both so that the new calipers and rotors clear the shield. Or you can use the GRMN shields. The fronts fit with no changes.
 
#34 ·
Thanks!

Seems like I didn't fuck up my sensors pulling the hubs first -- ended up disconnecting/reconnecting them somewhere in the middle and everything was fine.

I'll admit I still have no idea how they're supposed to be seated between the axle and the hub, but if it works, it works!
You should be fine. All the sensor does at the end is read if spinning or not. If you slam on the brakes, and the tires lock up, that section between the axel and the shield will lock as well, which is what engages the ABS.
You can test it by seeing if ABS engages in a closed road/safe area.
As long as you didn’t snap the sensor, it’ll work. It should just sit between the hub and that shield. And there’s only one way to install it because of the bolt:

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#35 ·
Thanks for the great post! I’ve been looking to upgrade my brakes, and this was super helpful. I’m planning to go with the same parts you listed and I had a question. Aside from the dust shields mentioned in the YouTube video, was there anything else you ended up needing? I appreciate it!
 
#41 ·
I have upgraded stainless steel brake lines for the stock calipers. And am currently prepping for a PP Brembo swap from another car. I’m guessing I don’t need to swap the lines over as I’d prefer to keep the stainless steels on. Is it really possible to use them with the brembo calipers? (I also have the Brembo lines coming with the brake setup as a last resort)
 
#42 ·
I dont know. I think the port is different between the two. Whoever is the steel brake line manufacturer that you already have, see if they use different serial numbers between standard and brembos. You can use a 2017 limited brz (performance package) or a 2020 brz ts limited to search as an example for the brembos.