GR86 to get Supra-inspired rear end?

apex

· #2 · Oct 26, 2020

I actually like it and hope that Toyota comes out with a design similar to that rendering.

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theoc86

· #3 · Oct 27, 2020

i would be more than happy with a supra butt on the new 86.

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I'm a big fan of the Supras butt, but I may be a little biased lol. I absolutely love the rear angles of the car. I can definitely see Toyota giving the 86 a slight Supra treatment, from the test mule we saw on the track i believe they have inspiration from the supra in the front end and slightly in the rear.
Just waiting on that reveal to see full details, hopefully we get something soon lol.

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pngrant54

· #5 · Oct 28, 2020

Well I think it would be wise this time around to better differentiate between the BRZ and 86. Similar lights that extend down from the corners is certainly now a Toyota design hallmark.As for the front I'm not sure. that would require a more through reworking of the "mule" front end and grill. Other than the general shape the cars should look different both front and back. Interior wise there should be a little bit more differentatin as well. However i suspect due to cost contraints I don't see that happening. At this state of the game I'm more interested in the mechanical makeup, power to weight ratio, engine noise. Being that the current one has been on the market 8 years Subaru and Toyota have golden opportunity to make this an overall better car. They are well aware of the complaints on the current car. They know where it has to be on cost. Further they know it most obvious competitor is the Miata/124 as well as the Veloster N, and GTI. The N and the GTI now make up perhaps the higher end. The 124/Miata have a spread from lower end to higher end in terms of cost. The BRZ and 86 should target the middle end. That should be around 30K with 32K as a top end price with options. It would be a mistake to price it in the mid to high 30's especially using the same platform. The only way they could get away with that would be if there was a turbo option offered. If its N/A it needs to stay around 30K.
At 30 K with more horspower and torque, a little more interior room with slightly nicer materials and the same decent chassis I think it could sell well.

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apex

· #6 · Oct 28, 2020

Great point @pngrant54. I think Toyobaru has no excuse but to step up the design differences.
Taking design cues from the Subaru Viziv concept for the BRZ would be a good start:

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pngrant54

· #7 · Oct 29, 2020

Apex-I assume you meant that the BRZ should take design cues from the Subaru Viziv. The 86 should, I think, take design cues from the Supra and other Toyota products. Looking at the current mule perhaps that is one area is subject to change in terms of overall shape. However it appears that the headlights seem already set and the reveal must be fairly close(within the next 30 days or so). So I'm wondering if the mule is going actually change all that much. The Shape appears to be set from the California Subaru meet up. The front end seems much more rounded then the Viziv concept and the fender flairs seems more conservative front and rear. I like what I've seen of the new car so far. My assumption is that if the 86 is appearing later we will see another mule with a different front and rear design. However I do not expect the 86 mule will show until after the BRZ reveal.

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· #8 · Oct 29, 2020

apex said:
Great point @pngrant54. I think Toyobaru has no excuse but to step up the design differences.
Taking design cues from the Subaru Viziv concept for the BRZ would be a good start:

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I'm still butt-hurt about how it never looked even close to this

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pngrant54

· #9 · Oct 29, 2020

Well as you know this seems to be Subaru's history. They come up with these great designs for concept cars. This gets every car enthusiast salivating. Then on a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being very close in design to the concept car the production car registers maybe a 1.5. I'm speaking specifically about the WRX/STI. The production car mules seem once again dramatically scaled back. The question is with the WRX/STI is this. If they actually were able to bring the design to a 10 out of 10 would it cost them so much money to produce that Subaru would have to charge 70K for the car. I mean the STI 209 has primarily suspension changes and subtle mods to the engine and that's a 50K car. Now i know the argument-WELL THAT'S BECAUSE ITS A LIMITED PRODUCTION CAR. However is it a limited production car because it cost so much to produce or is it a limited production car because it's being replaced by a new platform? I'm leaning towards the first explanation. I confess I don't know what the volume sales are on the WRX/STI. I know they sell a fair amount of them but Subaru is still a small company compared to a Toyota or Honda or Nissan. Maybe there is just not enough volume to keep costs in check so cost cutting measure in design and suspension as well as engine become's necessary. Which would explain why Subaru is most likely using the existing platform for the BRZ/86. Being that there was no updated concept car for the BRZ/86 the expectation for a radical design is not there. So in a way Subaru may have it easier for the BRZ/86 than the WRX. Really using an off the shelf 2.4 production engine and slightly modifying it should not be a huge cost for Subaru. Further taking the existing platform and widening the track slightly and increasing the wheelbase a little should not entail a lot of of R & D cost. I'm guessing the biggest cost would be the body re-design and the interior upgrade. I would assume everything else is off the shelf.

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R-Ozzy

· #10 · Oct 29, 2020

If the Supra's design cues and design philosophy is going to be the basis for Toyota's lineup overall Im not complaining. Those taillights looks really nice on the Sienna.

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apex

· #11 · Oct 29, 2020

R-Ozzy said:
If the Supra's design cues and design philosophy is going to be the basis for Toyota's lineup overall Im not complaining. Those taillights looks really nice on the Sienna.

I think it can work, but if done very selectively. They bombed the Supra project so badly that this is at least one way to benefit from it.
What Toyota really needs to do, is more of the approach taken with the GR Yaris.

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Haskins

· #12 · Oct 30, 2020

apex said:
I think it can work, but if done very selectively. They bombed the Supra project so badly that this is at least one way to benefit from it.
What Toyota really needs to do, is more of the approach taken with the GR Yaris.

I'd prefer more of this than more of the Supra. Let the Supra be unique on its own as Toyota's top sports car. But at the same time that Sienna does look good.

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pngrant54

· #13 · Oct 30, 2020

Right-You can't try a duplicate a Supra with the 86. The 86 is a different vehicle and meant to be so. It represents an affordable RWD sportscar. It's also more practical then a Supra. The new one should be more so. So a few subtle design cues to show its different from the BRZ but that should be about it. I just hope they keep the price close to the current car.

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· #14 · Feb 13, 2021

jkim85 said:
Toyota is hyping up that the new Sienna minivan has a rear design inspired by the Supra. Sounds like we will see a similar rear treatment on the new 86.

How 2021 Toyota Sienna Designers Found Inspiration in the Supra and Bullet Trains

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That is one good looking minivan...if I ever ventured down the minivan path it would be this.

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ClarkFan

· #15 · Feb 14, 2021

WillBoBaggins said:
I'm a big fan of the Supras butt, but I may be a little biased lol. I absolutely love the rear angles of the car. I can definitely see Toyota giving the 86 a slight Supra treatment, from the test mule we saw on the track i believe they have inspiration from the supra in the front end and slightly in the rear.
Just waiting on that reveal to see full details, hopefully we get something soon lol.
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Might be possible. Looking at the rear of the rollout BRZ, some of the key bits in the back are plastic - especially the deck spoiler and the exhaust/diffuser panel. Those could be replaced with alternates without killer manufacturing costs. The lights are probably a no-go for changes.
2022 Subaru BRZ Design Deep Dive: Refreshing or Revolting?

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ClarkFan

· #16 · Feb 14, 2021

pngrant54 said:
Apex-I assume you meant that the BRZ should take design cues from the Subaru Viziv. The 86 should, I think, take design cues from the Supra and other Toyota products. Looking at the current mule perhaps that is one area is subject to change in terms of overall shape. However it appears that the headlights seem already set and the reveal must be fairly close(within the next 30 days or so). So I'm wondering if the mule is going actually change all that much. The Shape appears to be set from the California Subaru meet up. The front end seems much more rounded then the Viziv concept and the fender flairs seems more conservative front and rear. I like what I've seen of the new car so far. My assumption is that if the 86 is appearing later we will see another mule with a different front and rear design. However I do not expect the 86 mule will show until after the BRZ reveal.

The relatively easy changes are the plastic bits - spoiler and lower panel at the rear and grill/bumper at the front - change parts source bins between assembly shifts, screw/tape on the different bits and you get a different looking car.

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R-Ozzy

· #17 · Feb 14, 2021

ClarkFan said:
The relatively easy changes are the plastic bits - spoiler and lower panel at the rear and grill/bumper at the front - change parts source bins between assembly shifts, screw/tape on the different bits and you get a different looking car.

It's easy to do and if the designers called the shots I'm sure they would but stuff like this is where the penny pinchers come in and ruin all the fun.

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