[rui]

It looks like my engine died from a spun bearing because of low oil.

No RTV being the issue.

Did you actually see a pick up tube clear from debris?
How many miles on the engine?

I hope warranty is covering it! It shouldn't use that much oil in between changes.

 

[Siggzmeyer]

Did you actually see a pick up tube clear from debris?
How many miles on the engine?

I hope warranty is covering it! It shouldn't use that much oil in between changes.

I'm just going off what they said. They didn't mention anything about RTV sealant.

5800 miles

It's covered by warranty, even straight up told them I was at an HDPE event when it happened.

 

[1026]

It's being covered under warranty but, I am rather annoyed because I took in my car earlier to the same dealership specifically to have my oil changed... Apparently they only rotated my tires because that's what the first Toyota Care has them do...

I think your dealership is mistaken - mine did the Toyota Care first service and oil/filter was included - (2700 miles.. 7.5 months in per owner's manual).

It still blows my mind how inept some dealerships are at servicing their own vehicles. Technicality of it being a Subaru engine or not, they have been working on them since 2013. Unless this is gulf coast states dealer and they are making up their own rules again.

 

[Ritter]

I've been running my oil level a bit on the high side. When I changed oil + filter, the fill took 5.7 qt. to reach the upper fill mark on the dipstick. Once I drove it, the level rose to maybe 3/32" above the upper full mark. It's been holding there steady. The specification is 5.3 qt., so I'm running nominally +0.4 qt. over spec. I feel comfortable with that minor extra measure of oil in the pan (but don't over-do it!).

 

[DylanJZA]

tons of previous gens tracked without a baffle and sticky tires and are fine

Everyone pushes their car differently, and I'm just saying proper precautions should be taken from my perspective.

 

[Ritter]

It looks like my engine died from a spun bearing because of low oil.

No RTV being the issue.

 

[Blighty]

I'm just going off what they said. They didn't mention anything about RTV sealant.

5800 miles

It's covered by warranty, even straight up told them I was at an HDPE event when it happened.

What we know from Toyota dealer teardowns is that they are not mentioning RTV sealant issues even when they are there.

You know that guy who had the problems with his car not being covered - well the Toyota teardown failed to mention it in the official document. I think this is how Toyota are possibly preventing it from being a recall issue - if there is no official reporting in teardowns then there is no official problem. I think this exclusion of any RTV reporting is a bigger issue than the argument of warranty claim.

I would get an independent registered mechanic people to drop the oil pan and provide advice before you allow Toyota to perform the teardown.

 

[Siggzmeyer]

What we know from Toyota dealer teardowns is that they are not mentioning RTV sealant issues even when they are there.

You know that guy who had the problems with his car not being covered - well the Toyota teardown failed to mention it in the official document. I think this is how Toyota are possibly preventing it from being a recall issue - if there is no official reporting in teardowns then there is no official problem. I think this exclusion of any RTV reporting is a bigger issue than the argument of warranty claim.

I would get an independent registered mechanic people to drop the oil pan and provide advice before you allow Toyota to perform the teardown.

Not discounting the independent mechanic, though from what I read is that the guy from media never had his oil pan dropped, just straight up denied service from the Toyota dealership.

Though it has already been torn down, waiting on parts to rebuild the engine... Though I am quite skeptical about that, at this point.

I think your dealership is mistaken - mine did the Toyota Care first service and oil/filter was included - (2700 miles.. 7.5 months in per owner's manual).

It still blows my mind how inept some dealerships are at servicing their own vehicles. Technicality of it being a Subaru engine or not, they have been working on them since 2013. Unless this is gulf coast states dealer and they are making up their own rules again.

Yeah, that's what really pisses me off. I will not be taking it to them for the next oil change and will be double checking that shit is done.

I tried doing an early oil change too, and read the owner's manual, gotta love how dealerships think it is fine to run an engine on 10k oil change intervals. That's just asking for issues.

 

[Blighty]

The Gen1 car has a much smaller 2-dimensional circle shaped strainer.
Subaru did tests and there was enough pressure, when 95% of the strainer was blocked. (info from Subaru-guy on German forum).

The Gen2 has a 3 dimensional strainer with much more area, so even when the "top" is blocked, the oil can flow at the sides.

ATM there is no evidence at all, that this is an issue.

Some days ago a video of a GEN1 car surfaced, whichs engine failed after the valve spring recall.
The strainer was blocked for more than 50% (by a piece of paper), but it was not the cause of the failure.
You could also clearly see MUCH sealant from the factory, that did not harm the car for almost 10 years.
(The reason of the failure was, that the owner did no services/oil changes and "drove without oil" for time - whatever this means)


Of course, when the sealant blocks an oil channel it WILL be the reason for a failure, but afaik this has not been the case, yet. Right?
I'm not an engineer and only can rely to infomartion i get from others, but i read somewhere, that its impossible, because the sealant in the strainer is somewhere "behind" the oil channels.

Also the pieces should fall out at the next oil change, right?

Wasn't the issue around failing engines after the valve spring recall directly related to Toyota mechanics apply too much sealant? I mean it led to worldwide dealer advisory to rectify it.

Do you have a link directly to this Subaru test or the comment that links to the test?

Sealant in the pickup is just evidence that RTV is lose in your engine, its not a non-issue.

The biggest problem right now is the on the Toyota teardown they are not mentioning it, even when its there (see the report that the guy who had the warranty thing get posed everywhere). This practice potentially hides the issue from any official government regulatory bodies when it comes to recalls.

 

[Blighty]

Not discounting the independent mechanic, though from what I read is that the guy from media never had his oil pan dropped, just straight up denied service from the Toyota dealership.



Yeah, that's what really pisses me off. I will not be taking it to them for the next oil change and will be double checking that shit is done.

He posted the Toyota teardown report, they mentioned nothing about lose RTV sealant. He showed the pictures of the oil pan drop he had done.

 

[Siggzmeyer]

He posted the Toyota teardown report, they mentioned nothing about lose RTV sealant. He showed the pictures of the oil pan drop he had done.

Guess I'm mistaken, sorry about that.

 

[Blighty]

Guess I'm mistaken, sorry about that.

Nothing to apologise for man. I definitely think we need to watch Toyota (and Subaru) and how they are managing this over time, and I think every person who finds loose RTV needs to send an email to Toyota/Subaru and fill out the NHTSA form (or your relevant vehicle safety regulator) with pictures and a description of the issue.
Report: Report a Safety Problem | NHTSA

 

[pq86]

sorry to hear. just subaru things… similar stories all the way back to the EJ days. I always check my oil level every second fill up at minimum, more if driving hard. old habit from driving a strung out ej257 for years. boxers tend to burn a bit of oil and gravity isn’t helping you keep it all in the sump like an I4

 

[S J]

sorry to hear. just subaru things… similar stories all the way back to the EJ days. I always check my oil level every second fill up at minimum, more if driving hard. old habit from driving a strung out ej257 for years. boxers tend to burn a bit of oil and gravity isn’t helping you keep it all in the sump like an I4

Maybe I got lucky but I bought a used Impreza that had the short block and head gaskets done at 70k and it’s now at 87k and still doesn’t burn a single drop of oil.

 

[rui]

Maybe I got lucky but I bought a used Impreza that had the short block and head gaskets done at 70k and it’s now at 87k and still doesn’t burn a single drop of oil.

If anything about an engine that had to be replaced at 70K is worth bragging about, that's really bad news.

 

[4093]

If anything about an engine that had to be replaced at 70K is worth bragging about, that's really bad news.

The key to happiness in life: Lower expectations.

 

[rui]

The key to happiness in life: Lower expectations.

Wise words indeed!
I must admit that, as a Honda lifer, I'm having a little trouble adjusting to the new reality.

 

[CanyonDriver]

How To Spot and Fix the Oil Clogging Issue That’s Killing 2022 Toyota GR86 Engines

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[4093]

FWIW, if I get to the point where I feel the need to drop the oil pan, I would try to get my hands on the baffled oil pan Toyota is installing on their upcoming GR Cup racing series cars. You get internal baffling to ensure consistent oiling under high-g cornering, and you get a brand new pan that doesn’t need to have old RTV scraped off. It may cost a couple/few hundred bucks, but at that point it might be worth the price to me.

Would that void the factory warranty? Hopefully not (it’s a Toyota part, after all), but in all probability it would kill the warranty. Sigh…

 

[RylisPro]

FWIW, if I get to the point where I feel the need to drop the oil pan, I would try to get my hands on the baffled oil pan Toyota is installing on their upcoming GR Cup racing series cars. You get internal baffling to ensure consistent oiling under high-g cornering, and you get a brand new pan that doesn’t need to have old RTV scraped off. It may cost a couple/few hundred bucks, but at that point it might be worth the price to me.

Would that void the factory warranty? Hopefully not (it’s a Toyota part, after all), but in all probability it would kill the warranty. Sigh…

Hey that's a great idea as well! The oil pan can be easily cleaned & prepared for welding in blasting cabinet. Once down to bare metal one can weld in their own baffles around the oil pickup to control oil slosh. Will do this mod along with my additional oil strainer port on the oil pan