[Lou]

Thanks for the input.
I have to be sure, so I'll wait for a demo car and drive it to the baby store to test out some seat combos before signing off.
It'll be years until they reach 1m65, so worries for future me.

Really, you can answer all your questions with an easier-to-find Gen 1. Identical interior dims. For the seat, look for a rounded square base. The smaller the base, the better.

 

[WpR]

Really, you can answer all your questions with an easier-to-find Gen 1. Identical interior dims. For the seat, look for a rounded square base. The smaller the base, the better.

I have no idea how I'd get my hands on a gen 1. These cars weren't sold much in Belgium, I rarely see one.
Unlike in Canada/US, it's an "expensive" car here due to taxes. It's considered a gas guzzler. Really. Everything above a 2.0 with "high" Co2 value is. So especially cars without turbo.
To put things in perspective, there are currently 4 used GT86's for sale in the whole country.

 

[DmOcRsI]

It'll be years until they reach 1m65, so worries for future me.

... you don't know that for sure.

 

[Lou]

I have no idea how I'd get my hands on a gen 1. These cars weren't sold much in Belgium, I rarely see one.
Unlike in Canada/US, it's an "expensive" car here due to taxes. It's considered a gas guzzler. Really. Everything above a 2.0 with "high" Co2 value is. So especially cars without turbo.
To put things in perspective, there are currently 4 used GT86's for sale in the whole country.

That's 4 more than GR86s Don't forget to add to that number Gen 1 BRZs. Otherwise, if you wait for a Gen 2 demo, you might miss your chance to order.

 

[Master Jedi]

I have had both, they are the same.

 

[Master Jedi]

Only benefit to 2022 is now the rear seats fold down.

the old gen the seats folded down too

 

[pngrant54]

Well, I am short at 5 6 1/2. I am guessing if I moved the driver's seat up so there was about 6 inches between the back of the front seat and the rear seat, I assume I could squeeze back into the rear seat. The question is could I then squeeze into the front seat to drive. I will have to try that experiment at one point. However, if you don't hear from me for a while you can just assume I'm still stuck some where inside my car.

 

[Lou]

Well, I am short at 5 6 1/2. I am guessing if I moved the driver's seat up so there was about 6 inches between the back of the front seat and the rear seat, I assume I could squeeze back into the rear seat. The question is could I then squeeze into the front seat to drive. I will have to try that experiment at one point. However, if you don't hear from me for a while you can just assume I'm still stuck some where inside my car.

There is no "squeezing" through the gap. The only way back there is with the front seat slid and folded exactly as far forward as it can go.

 

[WpR]

There is no "squeezing" through the gap. The only way back there is with the front seat slid and folded exactly as far forward as it can go.

This scares me as one day I'd like to put a child seat in the front and back on the passenger side. No problem with the baby-carry-thing, as I can put it in the car after child 1 has taken a seat in the back. But when child 2 is old enough to move to a child seat, it would be nice to keep it in installed in the front.

Or like you said put both kids in the back once they both fit in a front-facing seat. This would only be temporary until I can move the oldest one to a booster seat in the front again. The uncertainty is killing me.. I've made bad automotive decisions in the past.

 

[Lou]

This scares me as one day I'd like to put a child seat in the front and back on the passenger side. No problem with the baby-carry-thing, as I can put it in the car after child 1 has taken a seat in the back. But when child 2 is old enough to move to a child seat, it would be nice to keep it in installed in the front.

Or like you said put both kids in the back once they both fit in a front-facing seat. This would only be temporary until I can move the oldest one to a booster seat in the front again. The uncertainty is killing me.. I've made bad automotive decisions in the past.

You switch to a booster at 40lbs, or about 4 years. I thought this math worked out for you so that when the infant goes front-facing in the back, the toddler goes booster in the front. At that point you leave the big seat strapped into the back (passenger side) for the next couple of years. This will be much easier than having both kids in the back.

I am still not sure why you were asking about gap between seat-back and B-pillar. Front seats are super easy to slide out of the way for access to the back. Super easy for back seat passengers to do too. However, the driver's seat has no memory, so you need to reset distance and angle each time you move it. Which is one of the reasons for keeping the kids on the passenger side.

With an infant rear-facing, this isn't a great car for you. But with two toddlers, you will be fine (so long as wife stays at home.)

 

[WpR]

I've been reading up in the Europe topic, looks like even getting one will be harder than anticipated.
Order books in Germany are open for 10 days and filled up until 2023.
Don't even want to know the wait time when we can finally order in Belgium..

 

[WpR]

In the manual it states the following:
"Your vehicle is equipped with a front passenger occupant classification system. This system detects the conditions of the front passenger seat and activates or deactivates the front passenger airbag.
Never install a rearward facing child seat in the front passenger’s seat even if the front passenger’s SRS frontal airbag is deactivated. Be sure to install it in the rear seat in a correct manner."

I know in the US it's not advised (or legal?) to put a seat in the front passenger seat, but in Europe it's not considered that unsafe, as long as the airbag is turned off.

From a technical standpoint, would it be unsafe to trust that "occupant classification system"?
Why doesn't Toyota simply provide an "airbag off" switch like any other car I know...

 

[Lou]

In the manual it states the following:
"Your vehicle is equipped with a front passenger occupant classification system. This system detects the conditions of the front passenger seat and activates or deactivates the front passenger airbag.
Never install a rearward facing child seat in the front passenger’s seat even if the front passenger’s SRS frontal airbag is deactivated. Be sure to install it in the rear seat in a correct manner."

I know in the US it's not advised (or legal?) to put a seat in the front passenger seat, but in Europe it's not considered that unsafe, as long as the airbag is turned off.

From a technical standpoint, would it be unsafe to trust that "occupant classification system"?
Why doesn't Toyota simply provide an "airbag off" switch like any other car I know...

The Subaru occupant detection system works flawlessly. It uses capacitance, not weight. So a child in a seat or a booster seat will not activate it. Sometimes a bag of groceries does activate it though. I was saying that I would like the ability to override it for my 8 year old who still likes a booster to see over the dash - I feel that he would benefit from an airbag deployment in a severe crash. Perhaps the system should evaluate both capacitance and weight.

 

[WpR]

The Subaru occupant detection system works flawlessly. It uses capacitance, not weight. So a child in a seat or a booster seat will not activate it. Sometimes a bag of groceries does activate it though. I was saying that I would like the ability to override it for my 8 year old who still likes a booster to see over the dash - I feel that he would benefit from an airbag deployment in a severe crash. Perhaps the system should evaluate both capacitance and weight.

I assumed it would measure weight indeed. Makes much more sense now, I guess I'll be fine then. Thanks!

 

[Garth]

Dumb question, are there ISOFIX mounts to position a child seat in the CENTRE of the rear seat, despite it not being an adult seat?

 

[DmOcRsI]

Dumb question, are there ISOFIX mounts to position a child seat in the CENTRE of the rear seat, despite it not being an adult seat?

 

[Garth]

I am assuming that images means no?

 

[DmOcRsI]

I am assuming that images means no?

I mean you can straddle one on each side but the driveshaft tunnel is several inches higher than the seats so you would really have to find a way to accommodate it.

 

[Eracles]

My grain of sand: I recently saw an info in internet about this.

The guy had a previous gen car (GT86) and swapped to a GR86. He has a child about 6 o 7 years old. He zaid that in the previous car the child goes OK, even with an adult passenger seated in the passenger seat.
But in the new car, GR86, he says the child is more cramped, and he is in doubts about him fitting in two yeats from now. And the reason seems to be... the glovebox.

GR86 glovebox is stragely designed, and is protruding about 10 cm more than the one in the GT86. That males 10 cm less margin to move the front seat to create more romm in the rear begore passenger knees touching the glovebox, so in the end, this new car may have 10 cm less legroom available than previous one.

This point has made be having to abandon this car these days (I have a 6 year old daughter who is well above average height). As here in Spain you will not be able to see the car in the flesh before buying it (very very limited numbers), I think there is too much risk in this

 

[AE111 Trueno]

My grain of sand: I recently saw an info in internet about this.

The guy had a previous gen car (GT86) and swapped to a GR86. He has a child about 6 o 7 years old. He zaid that in the previous car the child goes OK, even with an adult passenger seated in the passenger seat.
But in the new car, GR86, he says the child is more cramped, and he is in doubts about him fitting in two yeats from now. And the reason seems to be... the glovebox.

GR86 glovebox is stragely designed, and is protruding about 10 cm more than the one in the GT86. That males 10 cm less margin to move the front seat to create more romm in the rear begore passenger knees touching the glovebox, so in the end, this new car may have 10 cm less legroom available than previous one.

This point has made be having to abandon this car these days (I have a 6 year old daughter who is well above average height). As here in Spain you will not be able to see the car in the flesh before buying it (very very limited numbers), I think there is too much risk in this

There should be plenty of members on here with both first and second gen experience who could confirm whether the glovebox has that much affect?

Sadly I'm not one of those members, but I'm very interested in the answers.