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If that's how the Corolla ends up looking then Honda will easily win in the looks department.

These spy shots show some very exciting changes to come:
It's not supposed to be a Type R competitor, they want to go after the Civic Si and the Golf GTI.
 

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If that's how the Corolla ends up looking then Honda will easily win in the looks department.

These spy shots show some very exciting changes to come:
That is going to depend on if the Corolla GR is going to be a Si or Type R competitor.
 

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That is going to depend on if the Corolla GR is going to be a Si or Type R competitor.
Si likely but if Honda is actually making those rumored changes to the Type R, then the high performing Corolla might be an inbetween model. From what I can tell it will be like a bigger GR Yaris.

"That sounds like a simpler setup to apportion torque than the 4WD system on the GR Yaris with its locking front and rear differentials. Depending on the tune and how much weight the machinery adds, having all tires contribute to forward progress could give Toyota's entry a sizable advantage over competition like the front-wheel drive Hyundai Veloster N and Volkswagen GTI. And ticking another vital box on the enthusiast's checklist, Toyota's six-speed manual transmission will be on tap for power transfer duty."

 

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Si likely but if Honda is actually making those rumored changes to the Type R, then the high performing Corolla might be an inbetween model. From what I can tell it will be like a bigger GR Yaris.

"That sounds like a simpler setup to apportion torque than the 4WD system on the GR Yaris with its locking front and rear differentials. Depending on the tune and how much weight the machinery adds, having all tires contribute to forward progress could give Toyota's entry a sizable advantage over competition like the front-wheel drive Hyundai Veloster N and Volkswagen GTI. And ticking another vital box on the enthusiast's checklist, Toyota's six-speed manual transmission will be on tap for power transfer duty."

I think that's how it's going to shape up. It'll be the Type R, then below it the GR Corolla, and below that the Civic Si. Making the Type R a hybrid will bring it into a different level of performance.
 

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Toyota is releasing a "Special Edition" Corolla hatchback that clearly foreshadowing whats to come with the GR.

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It looks like it's going to be called the "Apex Package". It's going come with performance tires and a couple of two-tone color options.

From what we can tell, the most significant performance enhancement is the availability of summer performance tires—yes, on a Corolla sedan. The APEX will otherwise have the same 2.0-liter inline-four with 169 hp that's offered as an option in the Corolla sedan and as standard in the hatchback. Naturally, the APEX package is available on the sedan's SE model with a six-speed manual transmission, and also on the CVT-equipped SE and XSE models.

The Corolla APEX will be available in three color combinations: black, white with a black roof, and a grey called Cement that's also paired with a black roof. We also expect it will feature other appearance tweaks to give it a more aggressive look than the SE and XSE trims, which are already visually differentiated from the standard L, LE, and XLE trims.

Toyota is likely to announce more details on the 2021 Corolla APEX soon, including pricing. And we can only hope that the APEX announcement will accompany the highly anticipated details about the upcoming GR Corolla hot hatchback.


 

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Forbes has a compelling article for why the GR Corolla is going to be more important to Toyota than the 86 or Supra.

Cars like the GT86 and Supra show Toyota is no longer interested in holding onto a reputation for making beige, uninspired cars destined for rental fleets. The problem is, only a handful of customers are buying the GT86 and Supra and understand that Toyota can, in fact, build an amazingly entertaining car.

The 2018 Corolla was the first major milestone in the quiet revolution to shed its old reputation. The GT86 and Supra can be considered overt declarations of the brand’s sporty intentions but it’s the way Toyota went about the Corolla that made it so much more important. Hundreds of thousands of car buyers that rank power and handling fairly low on their list of priorities were already buying the Corolla.

Then, in 2018, Toyota decided to refine the car carrying one of the most popular nameplates on US roads and turn it into a fun car. Not a “sports car,” just an average car that can take a turn like a sports car. It’s important to seed this type of engineering throughout the entire lineup, so the sentiment goes from “Toyota builds mostly okay cars. And, oh yeah, two sports cars” to “Toyota’s entire line up is a cohesive group of well-performing machines no matter the segment.”

Which brings me to the Toyota Corolla Sport GRMN. It may be WRC-inspired and reportedly packing a 268 horsepower 1.6-liter three-cylinder engine coupled to a six-speed manual and AWD, but this is Toyota’s chance to create its own VW GTI.

The GTI has a cult following all over the world. Enthusiasts love to modify and tune the little hatch to hell and back. And that’s okay. But the GTI doesn’t enjoy the success it does because of that small crowd. The GTI is seen as a great car because it’s approachable, affordable, practical and just so happens to be incredibly entertaining. VW does a wonderful job in showrooms of hiding the performance-focused nature of the GTI so that customers with less enthusiast-centric priorities aren’t intimidated and scared away of what is a fundamentally great hatchback.

If Toyota is smart about the Toyota Corolla Sport GRMN, it’ll skip the rally-racer marketing charade and continue the subdued sentiment of the base Corolla: a sports car in disguise. If it comes off as an average car for the average buyer simply looking for a next-level trim, Toyota will see success. More people will see first-hand what Toyota is capable of building. Something the low-volume Supra couldn’t dream of achieving.


 

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Good read but we don't have to look far for how it could play out.

Honda and VW have benefited the most with launching hot hatches, Toyota is just following the script.
 

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Good read but we don't have to look far for how it could play out.

Honda and VW have benefited the most with launching hot hatches, Toyota is just following the script.
That's very true. It's a great way to get people interested in the rest of the lineup, even if they're not enthusiasts.
 
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