yea, probably about 85% city on that tank full - the car is listed at 20 mpg city so I guess its not far off. I think I'm averaging about 22 mpg over 8500 miles
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I don't know how @Boomer2677 only gets 22 OR how YOU get 30 on the highway without trying and think you'd get 34 by babying it!
What's your actual average overall, and what's your mix of easy highway vs hard/city driving??
If I relaxed I'd be getting 30 mpg!
I'm reacting to the posts expressing disbelief that anyone else could get poor MPG, like the other guy doesn't know how to drive. They've become a cliche on forums like this. They're obnoxious. They're childish boasting. And sometimes they're based on cherry-picked data (not saying you, who apparently knows what he's doing).
They're also idiotic. You don't have to be a genius to understand that every car will get above the EPA under certain conditions, and below the EPA under certain conditions. So why anyone is surprised when another driver is averaging below the EPA? It's just plain stupid.
As I mentioned above, I haven't kept a strict accounting. But my measurements at the pump and the computer indicate I've averaged roughly around 20. That's hardly surprising when the EPA Combined number is 22 and I spend way more time in city conditions than highway, and tend to drive it hard on every trip. In fact I'd say my average is a bit better than one might expect given the EPA City number is also 20.
PS And yes, winding out on country roads is not gonna kill MPG the way city driving does, with lots of starts and stops. So I really don't get the point. People who get high MPG are driving in conditions and with behaviors that cause high MPG. People who get low MPG are driving in conditions and with behaviors that cause low MPG. Why this is shocking to people is a mystery. Or it would be, except that what we know is really going on here is people looking for an excuse to brag and cast shade on others. That's the problem with this whole topic.
So, if I got this right, you’re telling me track type driving is better for fuel economy than city driving?If I relaxed I'd be getting 30 mpg!
I'm reacting to the posts expressing disbelief that anyone else could get poor MPG, like the other guy doesn't know how to drive. They've become a cliche on forums like this. They're obnoxious. They're childish boasting. And sometimes they're based on cherry-picked data (not saying you, who apparently knows what he's doing).
They're also idiotic. You don't have to be a genius to understand that every car will get above the EPA under certain conditions, and below the EPA under certain conditions. So why anyone is surprised when another driver is averaging below the EPA? It's just plain stupid.
As I mentioned above, I haven't kept a strict accounting. But my measurements at the pump and the computer indicate I've averaged roughly around 20. That's hardly surprising when the EPA Combined number is 22 and I spend way more time in city conditions than highway, and tend to drive it hard on every trip. In fact I'd say my average is a bit better than one might expect given the EPA City number is also 20.
PS And yes, winding out on country roads is not gonna kill MPG the way city driving does, with lots of starts and stops. So I really don't get the point. People who get high MPG are driving in conditions and with behaviors that cause high MPG. People who get low MPG are driving in conditions and with behaviors that cause low MPG. Why this is shocking to people is a mystery. Or it would be, except that what we know is really going on here is people looking for an excuse to brag and cast shade on others. That's the problem with this whole topic.
Gonna be a hard no on that one, and anyone that’s ever taken a car to the track knows that.
It’s just weird to me that people can manage so low on the street. Like I said, it’s either 24/7 flogging, possibly fuel quality, extended idle time, or there are some large differences between cars. Be it maintenance, break-in, I don’t know. But if I skip the “spirited” driving and just commute like a normal human being, I’m in the mid 30s. The highway driving actually brings it down the most.
Maybe I and a few others got unicorns. Or maybe not. Who knows. 🤷♀️
Careful with your description of your track type driving on country roads, Duchess may accuse you of being reckless.
We should all probably just let this go, I respect you all and value your posts. I'm just mystified when people don't seem to get what "average" or "estimate" means when it comes to EPA numbers. It's math. Some drivers will do better than the EPA numbers and some will do worse, and this depends primarily on driving conditions. The people who are honest-to-goodness doing better are simply driving under conditions that create that result. And visa versa. So no one should be surprised that people doing primarily City driving are getting around the City EPA number.
The EPA test doesn't bake in "reckless" or "jackassery" driving. It's based on typical city driving conditions. It's unfortunate for me that far too many of my miles are either commuting (and in an actual big city) or in dense suburbs with lots of intersections and lights. And typically for only several miles between restarts. I have to drive 20 minutes to get to country roads, where my spirited driving seems to produce in the high 20s and where normal driving will get a reported 30ish.
All of it makes sense. No one should be assuming that's something's amiss.
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