[Greg555]

I am in the early stages of swapping a Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio (baby ferrari) engine into a 22 GR86

I already have the engine and trans and engine wiring has been converted.
Engine is a ferrari developed (basically a V6 twin turbo version of the ferrari californa engine)
It will be run using a MoTec M142 (on a backorder)
We are using ZF 8HP trans controlled by a standalone GCU from TurboLamik

If anyone on here has some experience with CAN messaging please ping me.

Firing up this engine in a GR86 is not super hard with a MoTec but it would be great if we could get some of the factory things to work with this ECU

Thanks
Greg

 

[jsmongeon24]

Definitely following this journey lol

 

[Greg555]

Definitely following this journey lol

it'll be a while

 

[Noobtber]

Tell me more about the ZF8. I love that transmission. Will it fit in the stock tunnel? If so, I might make some plans.

 

[vincentyang246]

Is your stock engine for sale tho 🤣

 

[Brian305]

I am a software engineer, have a bit of experience with CAN protocol, but really most of my knowledge is outdated from the OBD-II era (I was an avid member of the carputer or car-pc community which predated current infotainment systems) we used to integrate OBD-II data into the systems..

Before settling on ordering the gr86, I was thinking about doing an electric conversion on an rx8 with a completely custom CAN bus setup. Ordered a Arduino based development kit, but never pulled the trigger on the project. Was planning on hooking it up to the gr86 when it arrives to see what the possibilities might be, but did not really have a plan yet.

Not sure if I will be much help but will be watching the thread, interested to see how things progress!

 

[Ritter]

 

[Greg555]

Tell me more about the ZF8. I love that transmission. Will it fit in the stock tunnel? If so, I might make some plans.

8HP is like a 2JZ of transmissions

Very hard to kill and widely available.
These are used in huge number of cars from Beemers to track Hawks and they can take 1000nm depending on the variant and shift gears at full throttle whille burning rubber

In recent years there was a lot of development done to the standalone units that can control these and one of the best controllers for these is from Turbo Lamik in Poland

these controllers allow you to use these gearboxes like sequential race transmissions and even allow to use a clutch like if this was a manual trans.

Im in the process of becoming a US distributor for Turbo Lamik and from talking to few tuners in europe this thing is legit. I have several of these kits on order and I am excited to play with them.

Just Youtube Turbo Lamik 8HP and prepare to be amazed.
This aint no your grandma auto trans

EDIT: Sorry. Forgot to answer your question.
I dont know if massaging is required but there are several BRZs in Europe in drifting with that trans.

 

[Greg555]

Is your stock engine for sale tho 🤣

yes. will be shortly. Just over 3K miles

 

[Greg555]

I am a software engineer, have a bit of experience with CAN protocol, but really most of my knowledge is outdated from the OBD-II era (I was an avid member of the carputer or car-pc community which predated current infotainment systems) we used to integrate OBD-II data into the systems..

Before settling on ordering the gr86, I was thinking about doing an electric conversion on an rx8 with a completely custom CAN bus setup. Ordered a Arduino based development kit, but never pulled the trigger on the project. Was planning on hooking it up to the gr86 when it arrives to see what the possibilities might be, but did not really have a plan yet.

Not sure if I will be much help but will be watching the thread, interested to see how things progress!

LOL
That brings memories
I had a full atx board in a custom case in my subaru back in a day running mp3car software if I remember the name correctly

It was working fine untill my hdd froze up in chicago 25 below climate (pre ssd days)
It was soo cold that bios didnt even reckognize that there was a drive attached

I do have a car to play with and I do own a CAN adapter from ECU master that I have from another project.
My understandingis that it can be used for general CAN communications

USB to CAN Module

USB to CAN Module is used to communicate between your PC and the ECUMaster PMU. Multiple devices can be connected via CAN, and a single connection can be used to communicate with all devices at once (for example: race vehicles using multiple PMU units) PRODUCT MANUAL LOCATED HERE.

ecumasterusa.com

Im sure you'd be a great help
Where are you located?

Thx
Greg

 

[Ritter]

Curious about the 8-speed. The FA24D engine has a wide flat torque curve that's not peaky, and the vehicle isn't a lumbering heavyweight...not the usual conditions where an 8-speed is deployed.

 

[Greg555]

Curious about the 8-speed. The FA24D engine has a wide flat torque curve that's not peaky, and the vehicle isn't a lumbering heavyweight...not the usual conditions where an 8-speed is deployed.

Honestly a potato would be better than that auto trans

 

[Greg555]

Curious about the 8-speed. The FA24D engine has a wide flat torque curve that's not peaky, and the vehicle isn't a lumbering heavyweight...not the usual conditions where an 8-speed is deployed.

Im not using the FA engine so this doenst apply to me but you have to look at shift times and all the other cool things these can do

 

[Ritter]

Curious about the 8-speed. The FA24D engine has a wide flat torque curve that's not peaky, and the vehicle isn't a lumbering heavyweight...not the usual conditions where an 8-speed is deployed.

Actually answered my own dumb question, lol. You're not using the FA24D!

 

[Greg555]

Actually answered my own dumb question, lol. You're not using the FA24D!

maybe it would help to stay away from the dip

 

[EVASIVE TRUENO]

Oh he got money money..

 

[Brian305]

LOL
That brings memories
I had a full atx board in a custom case in my subaru back in a day running mp3car software if I remember the name correctly

It was working fine untill my hdd froze up in chicago 25 below climate (pre ssd days)
It was soo cold that bios didnt even reckognize that there was a drive attached

Yes! I was one of the developers on that site, I mostly did plugins for Centrafuse (iGuidance nav, CFiG (embed any windows software plugin)) but I also had this windows explorer (shell) replacement for touchscreens called carshell.

Such a great community.. not to jack the thread but just for the memories, here is my setup in my 02 altima (which immediately after buying new, I ripped the interior to shreds on this project ) I had help on the fiberglass from a friend, great memories creating it.

OBDII integrations in mine...

My nav plugin running in Centrafuse

Yeah the actual computer install was not as pretty as the dash

And yep temps were the devil, everyone although the drives would fail because of vibration but it was actually the temp that took them out..

I do have a car to play with and I do own a CAN adapter from ECU master that I have from another project.
My understandingis that it can be used for general CAN communications

USB to CAN Module

USB to CAN Module is used to communicate between your PC and the ECUMaster PMU. Multiple devices can be connected via CAN, and a single connection can be used to communicate with all devices at once (for example: race vehicles using multiple PMU units) PRODUCT MANUAL LOCATED HERE.

ecumasterusa.com

Im sure you'd be a great help
Where are you located?

Thx
Greg

I am in the Hudson Valley about 50 miles north on NYC.. I will do some reading and get up to speed, sounds like a great project!

-Brian

 

[Ritter]

maybe it would help to stay away from the dip

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Yeah, makes sense if you're trying to stay above 4600 rpm to make power at high speeds on a track. On the street, a 10-15 ft-lb dip 3500 to 4500 rpm doesn't really prevent productive use of the available torque from 2500 to 7300 rpm. Between those two points, torque never drops below a very usable 150 ft-lbs.

 

[KatchAKold]

Very excited to see where this goes tbh!

 

[Noobtber]

Honestly a potato would be better than that auto trans

The ZF8 is insanely quick and accurate. I don't know where you're coming from.