Car and Driver compared the two and got 13.9 with the 86…
Ever wonder why the 2.0 Supra exists?
Before the GR86 came out, it made some sense. The more affordable coupe sports car. But now that we have the GR86, I wonder if they will discontinue it. The 86 has more seats, is cheaper, and from what I hear is just about as fast. And of course, it comes in manual. I honestly don't know who the 2.0 Supra is for in 2023.
Who knows, maybe if they axe the 2.0 we can get a turbo 86 since it wont cannibalize the 2.0 sales. A man can certainly dream
Who knows, maybe if they axe the 2.0 we can get a turbo 86 since it wont cannibalize the 2.0 sales. A man can certainly dream
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1/10 of a second is roughly one car length. 13.3 compared to a 13.9 is an ass whipping. Also, all car magazines use the 1 foot roll out so tack on .3 seconds to that 13.9Car and Driver compared the two and got 13.9 with the 86…
That's both compared equally (with rollout), but how I feel about the 4cyl aside, shaving a full second off 0-60 and -6/10ths off in the 1/4 is a fair amount faster.
My point is I consistently ran 13.3 1/4 in my specific 2.0 Supra bone stock at my local drag strip. That is from a dead stop thru 1320 feet. Magazines such as MotorTrend, Car&Driver, etc all post their numbers with a 1 foot roll out.That's both compared equally (with rollout), but how I feel about the 4cyl aside, shaving a full second off 0-60 and -6/10ths off in the 1/4 is a fair amount faster.
If the magazine was to run a 13.3 they’d would count it as a 13 flat with their 1-ft roll out.
Motor Trend shows a 13.4s 1/4. Car and Driver shows a 13.3s... Both with rollout. the 13.9 figure for the GR86 is also with rollout. My point is that the figures they use are all the same.
Without rollout, both the 2.0 and the GR86 would be .3s slower to the 1/4.
(I assume you're not saying you beat their figures by 3/10ths)
Without rollout, both the 2.0 and the GR86 would be .3s slower to the 1/4.
(I assume you're not saying you beat their figures by 3/10ths)
I know the 2.0 supra is faster than the 86, but I still want to see someone line them up and do some dig and roll races in the real world.
That is what I’m saying. My runs are verified 13.3 without roll-out. I can post the slips but what does it matter.Motor Trend shows a 13.4s 1/4. Car and Driver shows a 13.3s... Both with rollout. the 13.9 figure for the GR86 is also with rollout. My point is that the figures they use are all the same.
Without rollout, both the 2.0 and the GR86 would be .3s slower to the 1/4.
(I assume you're not saying you beat their figures by 3/10ths)
With the JB4 and downpipe I went 12.6
Track conditions/weather/etc make a big difference so who am I to question it. And to your point, yeah it doesn't really matter...
Of course, all of that is a factor. Neither of these cars are meant for drag racing anyways so it’s not an important stat. I enjoy the handling dynamics of the 86 better than the Supra…Also the 2.0 Supra is an open diff car (despite what many say on the internet). …It does not have a limited slip diff. I like the fact the 86 has a limited slip.Track conditions/weather/etc make a big difference so who am I to question it. And to your point, yeah it doesn't really matter...
I greatly prefer the GR86 driving experience as well. The A90 gets down, but it's definitely very different in terms of driving dynamics.
It is way over priced! Should have been $39,000. I can’t find a used one lower than $46,000 without being suspect. I’ve seen some on Auto tempest for 50k plus.I do think the 2.0 Supra is an oddity in the market. It's much like the ecoboost Mustang and 2.0 Camaro, but not the performance bargain those cars are. It's just overpriced IMO, but if it was much cheaper it'd be competing too closely with the 86.
Been seeing a fair amount of your posts on here and 90% of your posts are negative, cheap shots and out of date jokes. You must be a real hoot to hang around withLooks like we have an automatic GR86 owner here. 😆
You seem to be confusing negativity for realistic. I don't recall any cheap shots on my end. I don't have any interest in hanging around with heathens, so... I guess you could say "I don't give a hoot about that." 🤷♂️Been seeing a fair amount of your posts on here and 90% of your posts are negative, cheap shots and out of date jokes. You must be a real hoot to hang around with
Some numbers
The lightest gr86 is 2811 pounds. At 228 that gives it a power to weight of 12.32 pounds per hp
The the lightest 2.0 is 3181 pounds. At 255 horsepower that gives it a power to weight of 12.47. Actually pretty close
BUT:
-Both of these cars are likely underreporting their power from the factory
-The Supra has wider tires in the rear
-The Supra has more gears
-The Supra has a more aggressive gear ratio due to having more gears
-The Supra will shift much faster through it’s more numerous gears than even the fastest, most unhinged manual 86 driver (or automatic)
-The Supra has MUCH more torque
Because of this, even with the surprisingly close power to weight ratios the Supra takes it in a drag. It also probably can pull more lateral G’s as well simply due to the wider tires from factory. The 86 center of gravity however is lower so put them on identical rubber and I wouldn’t be surprised if it beats it in the corners
The lightest gr86 is 2811 pounds. At 228 that gives it a power to weight of 12.32 pounds per hp
The the lightest 2.0 is 3181 pounds. At 255 horsepower that gives it a power to weight of 12.47. Actually pretty close
BUT:
-Both of these cars are likely underreporting their power from the factory
-The Supra has wider tires in the rear
-The Supra has more gears
-The Supra has a more aggressive gear ratio due to having more gears
-The Supra will shift much faster through it’s more numerous gears than even the fastest, most unhinged manual 86 driver (or automatic)
-The Supra has MUCH more torque
Because of this, even with the surprisingly close power to weight ratios the Supra takes it in a drag. It also probably can pull more lateral G’s as well simply due to the wider tires from factory. The 86 center of gravity however is lower so put them on identical rubber and I wouldn’t be surprised if it beats it in the corners
The Supra 2.0 smokes the GR86 in a drag race because of torque... that's the only reason.Some numbers
The lightest gr86 is 2811 pounds. At 228 that gives it a power to weight of 12.32 pounds per hp
The the lightest 2.0 is 3181 pounds. At 255 horsepower that gives it a power to weight of 12.47. Actually pretty close
BUT:
-Both of these cars are likely underreporting their power from the factory
-The Supra has wider tires in the rear
-The Supra has more gears
-The Supra has a more aggressive gear ratio due to having more gears
-The Supra has MUCH more torque because it’s turbocharged
Because of this, even with the surprisingly close power to weight ratios the Supra takes it in a drag. It also probably can pull more lateral G’s as well simply due to the wider tires from factory. The 86 center of gravity however is lower so put them on identical rubber and I wouldn’t be surprised if it beats it in the corners
I always liked the YellowHat Supra better... 4.3 V8.I agree that if i owned one, it would most likely need to be the straight six but that being said Supras have been 4 cylinder well before BMW came around. The Supras that ran JGTC were equipped with 2.0T engines, and are arguably the most known Toyota motorsport / Japanese motorsport vehicles to people who don't even know cars. I would bet a majority of Supra owners are not aware of this lol
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Yes, the Infamous TOMS Castrol supra is a 2.0T as the rest of the JGTC Supras IIRC.
I don't get all the frankly shallow arguments that Supra has to be an inline 6 or it isn't a Supra, I get the point that the 2.0 is kind of pointless because it is basically competing with the 86, which is a decent replacement at far better value. I think another decent argument would be that there is a logistical bottleneck(is it still chips, idk really), that is making auto production lower across the board; I presume for every 2.0 being built, the isn't a 3.0 being built, and it would bother me if I was looking to buy a 3.0 Supra, and the local dealership had a 2.0 sitting in the showroom. As far as a Supra not being a Supra... I think a better argument is if it is made with 80% plus BMW parts, and built in a BMW factory, that being said I would rather we have the Supra we have today, then to not have it at all. Obviously I can make the same argument, if not more compelling about the 86 as well(because it exhibits so much likeness to the Brz, relative to the Supra/M2), but I don't care that it is made in a Subaru factory, I don't care that it is only slightly different to the Brz, I care that it is available. See a very similar argument about the Mazda RX(presumably from Mazda themselves), if it isn't a rotor then it it isn't an RX. I say screw that..... I would much rather they make the RX, and we get another sports car to choose from.
At the current rate of weird collaborations, I bet the next RX7 will be a joint collaboration between Mazda, Mercedes, and Tesla.I don't get all the frankly shallow arguments that Supra has to be an inline 6 or it isn't a Supra, I get the point that the 2.0 is kind of pointless because it is basically competing with the 86, which is a decent replacement at far better value. I think a better argument that a Supra isn't a Supra is if it is made with 80% plus BMW parts, and built in a BMW factory, that being said I would rather we have the Supra we have today, then to not have it at all. Obviously I can make the same argument, if not a more compelling about the 86 as well(because it exhibits so much likeness to the Brz), but I don't care that it is made in a Subaru factory, I don't care that it is only slightly different to the Brz, I care that it is available. See a very similar argument about the Mazda RX(presumably from Mazda themselves), if it isn't a rotor then it it isn't an RX. I say screw that..... I would much rather they make the RX, and we get another sports car to choose from.
I could see the Supra 2.0L as an answer to all the boneheads who constantly talk about wanting a "boosted 86 from the factory". Go buy a Supra 2.0L with a warranty and shut up.
With that said, I would never own a 2.0L. It'd have to be a Supra 3.0L or nothing. Although, I'm not super interested in those either (just can't see myself with a depreciating car on the wrong side of $50,000...I'd hardly want to put regular mileage on it at that point).
With that said, I would never own a 2.0L. It'd have to be a Supra 3.0L or nothing. Although, I'm not super interested in those either (just can't see myself with a depreciating car on the wrong side of $50,000...I'd hardly want to put regular mileage on it at that point).
I don't think that small speed difference makes up for the massive price difference. On a strip maybe a car length matters, but in the real world? I doubt you'd really notice it1/10 of a second is roughly one car length. 13.3 compared to a 13.9 is an ass whipping. Also, all car magazines use the 1 foot roll out so tack on .3 seconds to that 13.9
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