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about 47 t-rexes

Discussion Starter · 17 d ago

Before the GR86 came out, it made some sense. The more affordable coupe sports car. But now that we have the GR86, I wonder if they will discontinue it. The 86 has more seats, is cheaper, and from what I hear is just about as fast. And of course, it comes in manual. I honestly don't know who the 2.0 Supra is for in 2023.

Who knows, maybe if they axe the 2.0 we can get a turbo 86 since it wont cannibalize the 2.0 sales. A man can certainly dream

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LordXenu

· #2 · 17 d ago

The 86 is nowhere near as fast as the 2.0 Supra (at least not in a straight line). I ran consistent 13.3 1/4 miles in my bone-stock 2.0 Supra.

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coelacanth72

· #3 · 17 d ago

Plus the Supras just a generally nicer car. BMW vs Subaru. Why buy a 3 series when you could have a legacy? Same answer.

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Perzeus

· #4 · 17 d ago

It's the best looking BMW you can buy brand new with a very big margin, so that might be tempting for some. Interior is not that much nicer than 86. I sat in both of them side by side and beside the infotainment, the 86s interior felt much better than expected and the supra's a bit worse than expected.

rui

· #5 · 17 d ago

about 47 t-rexes said:
Before the GR86 came out, it made some sense. The more affordable coupe sports car. But now that we have the GR86, I wonder if they will discontinue it. The 86 has more seats, is cheaper, and from what I hear is just about as fast. And of course, it comes in manual. I honestly don't know who the 2.0 Supra is for in 2023.

Who knows, maybe if they axe the 2.0 we can get a turbo 86 since it wont cannibalize the 2.0 sales. A man can certainly dream

It makes sense in markets where taxes are (partially) based on engine displacement. It's a more premium, more gran turismo alternative to an 86.

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Liquidsnake

· #6 · 17 d ago

I can’t even afford the 2.0.

Supra’s are stupid expensive even used they are ridiculous.

LordXenu

· #7 · 17 d ago

A 2.0 Supra isn't worth the purchase in today's market.

I bought mine new fully loaded in December on 2020 for $41K...They paid me the same exact amount for it with 20,000 miles on it when I sold it back to a Toyota dealership in February 2023. I like buzzing around in the GR86 better...Both cars get a bunch of looks.

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DylanJZA

· #8 · 17 d ago

IMO, pointless car which is why we own the 6cyl. Supras have always had a glorious I6 for their time. If you're gonna pay $45k, you can easily stretch/save a bit for the 6cyl. Bigger engine, better brakes, better wheels, better sound, better resale, and obviously higher threshold for mods and power.

I'd add FI to the 86 before I'd ever buy a 4cyl Supra. Hell, I'd happily buy a new base Z before I'd do that and I'm not a huge fan of those...

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Liquidsnake

· #9 · 17 d ago

LordXenu said:
A 2.0 Supra isn't worth the purchase in today's market.

I bought mine new fully loaded in December on 2020 for $41K...They paid me the same exact amount for it with 20,000 miles on it when I sold it back to a Toyota dealership in February 2023. I like buzzing around in the GR86 better...Both cars get a bunch of looks.

I’d take a Supra everyday over the 86. That’s just me.,if I could afford it, it would be my forever car.

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foshjowler

· #10 · 17 d ago

I do think the 2.0 Supra is an oddity in the market. It's much like the ecoboost Mustang and 2.0 Camaro, but not the performance bargain those cars are. It's just overpriced IMO, but if it was much cheaper it'd be competing too closely with the 86.

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Unplugem

· #11 · 17 d ago

It's because hairdressers shop at Toyota dealerships too, so Toyota wants to offer something that appeals to them, kind of like the automatic GR86.

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CanyonDriver

· #12 · 17 d ago (Edited)

JGTC.

Honestly, I have a soft spot for it. It has the looks, more than enough power for the places I drive, and gets better gas mileage (if you care about that stuff). To me, it's more of a GT than the GR86 is and I think that's a great option to have. If I could afford both, oddly enough, I'd have the Supra as the DD since it's automatic only with a more efficient engine, and then really go all out on the GR86 as a canyon carver.

3200lbs for a GT under 50k that'll get 30mpg and has underrated horsepower dyno numbers with easy tunability? That's not bad, really.

CanyonDriver

· #13 · 17 d ago

LordXenu said:
A 2.0 Supra isn't worth the purchase in today's market.

I bought mine new fully loaded in December on 2020 for $41K...They paid me the same exact amount for it with 20,000 miles on it when I sold it back to a Toyota dealership in February 2023. I like buzzing around in the GR86 better...Both cars get a bunch of looks.

That thing looks great.

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bonelesschicknstrips

· #14 · 17 d ago

Unplugem said:
It's because hairdressers shop at Toyota dealerships too, so Toyota wants to offer something that appeals to them, kind of like the automatic GR86.

This stereotype is like 15 years old. Hairdressers drive jeep wranglers and bronco sports

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EVASIVE TRUENO

· #15 · 17 d ago

Before the GR86 I could 110% understand the upgrade path from a 17-20 Toyota 86. The 2.0T supra has a perfect 50/50 weight distribution, front mid engine, weighs less than the 3.0, mechanical differential vs an electronically controlled, no EDC. IMO a great car.

HOWEVER, with the GR86 being on the market my opinion has completely changed on that and I would take my manual GR86 over the ZF 2.0T Supra. However, if they ever for some reason released a manual 2.0T Supra I'd be all over it. They never will, but it would be really neat to see something like that. The tuning capability of the B48 is still decent. You can just slap a JB4 on them and crank up the boost a bit and they move, they already make like 300 torque out the gate. That's actually what my buddy did with his. If you look into the folks reviewing the 2.0T Supra, it's actually quite good things and it's referred a lot more to the true older brother of our cars. I just can't justify one without a third pedal.

That being said on the flip, if you're someone who will only buy an automatic I don't think the GR86 is the automatic to go with, especially given they cost MORE than the manual. Paying more for less engaging, slower car makes no sense to me. From that POV I'd buy a 2.0T.

Just food for thought and I think you really have to look at it from both angles. Personally, I really could see a supra in my future but it would have to be the right price and for sure a 3.0 Premium for me to sell my GR. The manual vs ZF debate is an afterthought to me. I don't really care when we're talking about a car as serious of a performer as the Supra.

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EVASIVE TRUENO

· #16 · 17 d ago

DylanJZA said:
IMO, pointless car which is why we own the 6cyl. Supras have always had a glorious I6 for their time.

I agree that if i owned one, it would most likely need to be the straight six but that being said Supras have been 4 cylinder well before BMW came around. The Supras that ran JGTC were equipped with 2.0T engines, and are arguably the most known Toyota motorsport / Japanese motorsport vehicles to people who don't even know cars. I would bet a majority of Supra owners are not aware of this lol

Wheel Tire Vehicle Car Automotive design

Yes, the Infamous TOMS Castrol supra is a 2.0T as the rest of the JGTC Supras IIRC.

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DylanJZA

· #17 · 17 d ago (Edited)

No production Supra was ever 4cyl. Using JGTC cars powered by a bespoke 503E as an example is comical, but yeah that's a no from me. Cool cars but they're about as different from the road car as it gets. They also only ran the 4cyl due to power restrictions in the class, otherwise it would have had the 2J. And even though I love the 503E overall, it still doesn't sound anywhere near as good or have the same power potential.

Rwd Celicas had the 4cyl, but the Supra was always an NA or turbo I6. As it should be... The entry level A90 should have been an NA B58 vs the B48.

EVASIVE TRUENO

· #18 · 17 d ago

DylanJZA said:
Using JGTC cars powered by a bespoke 503E as an example is comical, but yeah that's a no from me.

Whatever floats your boat man haha, I'll take a 2.0T Supra before an automatic GR86 any day of the week. The same way you're having a hard time imagining the Supra without an I6 is the same way i'm having a hard time imagining spending mid to upper $30s OTD for an enthusiast drivers car with a PRNDM. I guess everyone has their own taste haha

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DylanJZA

· #19 · 17 d ago (Edited)

That argument isn't a one to one for me at all.

One is a trans choice, where the AT is slightly slower to 60 and that's about it. Everything else is basically the same... We can argue in terms like enjoyment, engagement etc like all the other threads, but that's about it.

A 4cyl Supra has all sorts of deficiencies when compared to the A90-6 that I listed previously above. People buy the 4cyl because they cant afford the 6 IMO. That's not a position I'd ever take based on heritage and/or specs, but whatever people buy is up to them...

Unplugem

· #20 · 17 d ago

bonelesschicknstrips said:
This stereotype is like 15 years old. Hairdressers drive jeep wranglers and bronco sports

Looks like we have an automatic GR86 owner here. 😆

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