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These are the best times I have seen so far. I know some journalists criticize C&D because they typically get faster times than everyone else. They have a great test track and some great drivers. I tend to agree with their tests. I have always been pretty spot on with their results (sometimes even better) in my own cars. Attached is the link to the their article about in the "10 best" comparison.
 

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I think these numbers are optimistic, but not unbelievably so. Are they using the 1 foot rollout or something else is the main question
 

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I think these numbers are optimistic, but not unbelievably so. Are they using the 1 foot rollout or something else is the main question
Yes C&D uses rollout which I agree is a sketchy method. But in order to post the numbers people want to see thats what they all do. From all the various publications posting numbers, what we can conclude is that these cars are underrated with the power (proven on multiple dynos) and that the performance is way better than 6 seconds to 60. Rollout usually only accounts for 1-2 tenths MAX.
 

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what we can conclude is that these cars are underrated with the power (proven on multiple dynos
Holy crap, I just watched a video about the dyno results. 209hp (~+45hp over previous gen) to the wheels sounds a lot more in line with the increase in size from 2.0 to 2.4L. That would make the C&D times far more believable. That puts the power to weight really close to my 2003 M3, which has similar 0-60 and 1/4 mile stock. This thing is going to be a rocket!

Putting on the tinfoil hat for a moment: The 2.0 GR Supra is rated for 255 hp on paper, so I wonder if the sales people decided putting a number like 240 on the GR 86 would hurt the Supra 2.0 sales (assuming it's also not underrated for hp).
 

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The time is legit, but C&D uses a rollout and is also notorious for beating the absolute crap out of their testers. Any actual owners that value their vehicles health even a little bit likely won't match this time.
 

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The time is legit, but C&D uses a rollout and is also notorious for beating the absolute crap out of their testers. Any actual owners that value their vehicles health even a little bit likely won't match this time.
Challenge accepted. I have matched or beaten many of their times in previous cars. My 2007 speed 3 crushed their times. I was a good 3 tenths quicker. That was at route 66 raceway in IL. A professional NHRA track with the most accurate equipment possible.
 

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Challenge accepted. I have matched or beaten many of their times in previous cars. My 2007 speed 3 crushed their times. I was a good 3 tenths quicker. That was at route 66 raceway in IL. A professional NHRA track with the most accurate equipment possible.
Let us know how much the clutch replacement costs! :ROFLMAO:
 

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Its RWD and I do my own work... so cheap. LOL
That said I still have my 2007 speed 3 with 165k miles on it. It has a big turbo, full bokt ons AND nitrous. I run hoosier quick time pro full race slicks at the track and launch at 6k rpm. Stock clutch still works like a champ. My road course miata has nearly 200k miles of non stop "abuse" also stock clutch. Im sure it will be fine. And if not a clutch job on a brz will cost about $400 and 4-5 hrs of my time. These are cheap tuner cars we are talkin about.... not lambos.
Let us know how much the clutch replacement costs! :ROFLMAO:
 

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These are cheap tuner cars we are talkin about.... not lambos.
I jest! There's far more people out there on forums these days who can destroy a clutch rather than replace one.

The Speed 3 was one of the cars I really wanted when I was starting to get into fun driver's cars, but I wound up going down the German rabbithole.
 

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I jest! There's far more people out there on forums these days who can destroy a clutch rather than replace one.

The Speed 3 was one of the cars I really wanted when I was starting to get into fun driver's cars, but I wound up going down the German rabbithole.
LOL been there done that. The only clutch ive ever worn out was a MK7 GTI with nothing but a stage 1 tune. I replaced it with a much better unit. VW uses the absolute weakest disks and pressure plates I have ever seen. Shortly after the dreaded thrust bearing that is known for failing for no reason what so ever went. Blown motor. Never a german car again.
 

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The German car (and motorcycle) companies know how to make the best when cost is no object. When cost is an object, tend to make it cheap and not good. The Japanese have a lock on engineering that fits the purpose and is cost-effective to produce and assemble.
 

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Its RWD and I do my own work... so cheap. LOL
That said I still have my 2007 speed 3 with 165k miles on it. It has a big turbo, full bokt ons AND nitrous. I run hoosier quick time pro full race slicks at the track and launch at 6k rpm. Stock clutch still works like a champ. My road course miata has nearly 200k miles of non stop "abuse" also stock clutch. Im sure it will be fine. And if not a clutch job on a brz will cost about $400 and 4-5 hrs of my time. These are cheap tuner cars we are talkin about.... not lambos.
These cars are some of the easiest in my experience to either pull a trans or a motor.
 

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The German car (and motorcycle) companies know how to make the best when cost is no object. When cost is an object, tend to make it cheap and not good. The Japanese have a lock on engineering that fits the purpose and is cost-effective to produce and assemble.
I dunno about that. Best is subjective, overcomplicated or unproven is the term I would use personally.
 

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I dunno about that. Best is subjective, overcomplicated or unproven is the term I would use personally.
Correct, you dunno about that. I work for a German industrial company and our high-end products are second to none and our low-end products deliver too little for the price point vs. alternatives. I see the same pattern in consumer products.
 

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Correct, you dunno about that. I work for a German industrial company and our high-end products are second to none and our low-end products deliver too little for the price point vs. alternatives. I see the same pattern in consumer products.
Im not talking industry in general, I’m talking cars. German cars are expensive to own and also tend to have engineering pitfalls. Audi, BMW, and Mercedes alike.

I should note, this is also my personal experience having owned plenty of German cars new and old.
 
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