Biggest Things You Want to Fix About the Current 86?
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torque dip fix , larger Tires Like 18" , Higher rpm limiter cause the fa20 and Fa24 can reach 9k rpm from stock without losing durability and a "eco mod" to go in city without wasting 10 km/liter and to make the sound a bit less noisier , Police don't have to watch us ahahah
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Torque dip for sure but if its true the motor we're getting is the 2.4 liter maybe that won't be as big of an issue. Hell its not hard to fix the torque dip at all, I fixed mine with a grimmspeed cold air intake and now full exhaust minus headers as they are pricey and I'd have to pay for someone to tune my car.
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Honestly i think that there was a torque dip in old 86 cause they have to pass pollution tests for Europe and with the torque dip the car makes lower CO2 so i think that if they get a mild Hybrid system from Subaru or a full Hybrid system from Toyota there wont be that torque dip and there Will be more torque cause the Electric engine at low Speed/rpm increase a lot the torque, see the new Honda nsx to have proof and to see how It works
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That would be a huge leap forward for the car if it's given any kind of hybrid system. I don't see Toyota and Subaru going that far with it.
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They are forced ti mate , european market Is Like 20/30% of the global Number , and there Is from 2018 a stupid rule for all Europe that says that you can't produce cars that have more thanx ~90 gram CO2 per km , gr86 Is 168grams per km , so they are forced to use Hybrid system , else they wont sell in Europe cause they are forced to pay 9k€ ( 8000$) extra that means there Will be and insane price , and else they could not get inside Town cause in urbanised places there are limited traffic zone where only Hybrid car and Electric shit can drive , rip pure thermic cars
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I believe that's an average for a car company's fleet of vehicles, not for each one. I think Toyota and Subaru will be in a good spot to deal with it.
Reducing CO2 emissions from passenger cars - before 2020 - Climate Action - European Commission
Reducing CO2 emissions from passenger cars - before 2020
2020-21 target
From 2021, phased in from 2020, the EU fleet-wide average emission target for new cars will be 95 g CO2/km.
This emission level corresponds to a fuel consumption of around 4.1 l/100 km of petrol or 3.6 l/100 km of diesel.
Specific emission targets for manufacturers
The binding emission targets for manufacturers are set according to the average mass of their vehicles, using a limit value curve. This means that manufacturers of heavier cars are allowed higher emissions than manufacturers of lighter cars. The curve is set in such a way that the targets for the EU fleet-wide average emissions are achieved.
In 2020, the emission targets will apply for each manufacturer’s 95% least emitting new cars. From 2021 onward, the average emissions of all newly registered cars of a manufacturer will have to be below the target.
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That would be great if they did that but I have my doubts that it would happen. I'm expecting it to require premium once again.
If its going to be an N/A engine 2.4 the following. Aside from the torque dip elimination I would smooth out the engine as much as possible with upgraded internals,do a slightly lighter flywheel, really concentrate on intake and exhaust sound so the car sounds better than the current car.(example Fiat USA went through 20 exhausts on the 500 Abarth just to get the sound right!) They should be going for a Porsche 356 "outllaw" sound. The engine should feel zingy and quick to rev. As for gear box aim for throws similar to a Miata and Civic type R. Both of these things help with acceleration performance and make the car more engaging to drive. Suspension wise simply improve on whats there now. Later BRZ/86 had a better ride then the earlier cars. I think I would use real tires instead those Primacy ones for the Toyota Prius. If this car has better performance then dial back the oversteer characteristics just a tad. Oversteer is fun but not the fastest way around a track. I would not spend a huge amount upgrading the interior. if the engine is a a turbo much the same but obviously upraded brakes. In a way a turbo is the easy way out if they can engineer it to fit. making an NA engine into a sportscar engine is more challenging with the Subaru design.
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Do you think there's going to be rear wheel steering @pngrant54?
Latest 2022 Subaru BRZ teaser is out!
https://www.subaru.com/2022-brz?SIE=907931515e72a0b6d29abafd90d9333e6be60433f16ec52b63609f807c46a138&delivery_id=785708640
www.gr86.org
That of course would be positive gravy. I think if Subaru/Toyota can keep the same agility with better grip, improved acceleration, improved engine sound, slightly nicer interior they have a winner on their hands. Rear wheel steering is additional technology and additional engineering. That also translates to additional cost. What we all want is an improved 30K car then what came before it. We really don't want a 40K BRZ. When you are getting to that price then there is a lot more competition.
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A bit more first hand feedback on the power improvements (the video is 2 weeks old)
jasoncammisa
New episode of Revelations on the 2022 BRZ drops today (link in bio.)
I got the power curves and did the math: the 2.4-liter BRZ will be quicker than an ND2 Miata.
The big problem with the 2.0-liter FA20 BRZ wasn’t that it didn’t make a lot of torque (it did — the same 151 lb-ft as an ND2) but that it happened so high in the rev range (6400 rpm) where the engine sounded like…
…trying to be nice here… Okay, it sounded like shit.
The second issue was the dreaded Torque Dip right in the daily-driving 2400-4000 rpm range.
The new BRZ engine fixes both. It still has a tiny torque dip but even at the base of the dip, it still makes almost 30 lb more than the 2.0 did at its peak.
I got a ride in the BRZ around a track – video included here — and it sounded much better thanks to loads of fake sound being piped in through the speakers. In the case of this flat-four, I’m fine with that.
The BRZ’s beautiful handling balance seemed to survive the facelift. So did the semi-usable back seat. And the nice, tidy size.
I can’t wait to drive it, but I think this one’s gonna be a winner.
(See also my previous post on the car, flush with all the deets.)
Look I made it all the way to the end of this post without saying the word #turbo! #BlowMe.
jasoncammisa
New episode of Revelations on the 2022 BRZ drops today (link in bio.)
I got the power curves and did the math: the 2.4-liter BRZ will be quicker than an ND2 Miata.
The big problem with the 2.0-liter FA20 BRZ wasn’t that it didn’t make a lot of torque (it did — the same 151 lb-ft as an ND2) but that it happened so high in the rev range (6400 rpm) where the engine sounded like…
…trying to be nice here… Okay, it sounded like shit.
The second issue was the dreaded Torque Dip right in the daily-driving 2400-4000 rpm range.
The new BRZ engine fixes both. It still has a tiny torque dip but even at the base of the dip, it still makes almost 30 lb more than the 2.0 did at its peak.
I got a ride in the BRZ around a track – video included here — and it sounded much better thanks to loads of fake sound being piped in through the speakers. In the case of this flat-four, I’m fine with that.
The BRZ’s beautiful handling balance seemed to survive the facelift. So did the semi-usable back seat. And the nice, tidy size.
I can’t wait to drive it, but I think this one’s gonna be a winner.
(See also my previous post on the car, flush with all the deets.)
Look I made it all the way to the end of this post without saying the word #turbo! #BlowMe.
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